This is a record of the Warriors Forum hosted by GM Stealth on the evenin of 04-15-02

It was recorded, and edited, by Morgiest Frostgiant

In the editing, I removed nothing but extra movements etc. in the closed discussion parts. When GM Stealth opened the floor, I removed everything that was not a responce to a question, or that was a question that GM Stealth responded to.

Honor, duty, loyalty,

Morgiest Frostgiant





Stealth says, "Tonite is going to be as I said pretty informal, I want to go over some of the things generally that we have in mind for warriors."

Stealth says, "And to open up the floor to you all to get your suggestions on where you would like to see the profession going."

Stealth says, "As of now my main focus areas as they pertain to warriors are:"

Stealth says, "Design and implementation of the maneuver list."

Stealth says, "Improvements and changes to existing guild skills."

Stealth says, "Increased roles of the guild in general. More roleplaying involving the guild, more things to do in general."

Stealth says, "So one of the big reasons I wanted everyone here tonite is to get your ideas on the maneuver list."

Stealth says, "So I am going to open up the question box and let everyone offer in a suggestion if they have one."

Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.

Stealth says, "Ysbadthaden says, 'brauden about before, that is a couple of years ago, when breakage was 'about' to be introduced it seemed that everything, whether creature or player broke on every hunt... will that be the same now? For it seems concerning that we conservitavely spend 100k or more to re-outfit and make 20k on a hunt...::mutter may have to hunt in the nude as a ritual::'"

Stealth says, "hmm"

Stealth says, "think we got old questions in the box"

Stealth says, "hold on a moment folks let me clear the box out"

Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.

Stealth says, "there we go"

Stealth says, "sorry about that"

Stealth closes the question box.

Stealth glances at a question box with a murderous glint in his eye.

Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.

Stealth says, "Try one more time folks"

Stealth says, "resubmit your questions"

Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.

Stealth says, "seems to be some trouble with the box...so I am going to let the folks talk in order and I will answer them that way"

Stealth nods to Tinoth, who stands up to address the assembly.

Stealth asks, "Ask your question?"

Stealth peers quizzically at Tinoth.

Tinoth says in guild speak, "ello"

Tinoth says in guild speak, "ello"

Tinoth says in guild speak, "since I am a young warrior please indulge me and answer"

Tinoth asks in guild speak, "what is the mannuver lists?"

Stealth nods.

Tinoth says in guild speak, "aye"

Stealth says, "The maneuver list will be a set of skills that you as squares can learn. The skills will be varied in their abilities and will be learned based on your skills that you train in and your choice of skill."

Stealth says, "So what this would mean as an example"

Stealth says, "if you trained in shields"

Stealth says, "and combat maneuvers"

Stealth says, "you would be able to train in the skill "shield bash".."

Stealth says, "for the most part all of the maneuvers will be skill based and affected by your training in the skill."

Stealth says, "The list will be hierarchial in nature. What I mean by that is you would have to learn pre-requisite skills to learn more advanced skills."

Tinoth says in guild speak, "sounds like schooling"

Stealth says, "I do not anticipate ANY one person being able to master or be proficient at many skills"

Stealth says, "so there will be a degree of specialization"

Stealth says, "and it will not be something to the degree of a spell circle where you learn each spell and by the time you have trained for your 100th training"

Stealth says, "you know everything"

Stealth says, "I am sure there will be more questions on this so let me move on to the next person"

Tinoth says in guild speak, "thankee"

Stealth closes the question box.

Stealth says, "in short yes"

Stealth says, "I have other current projects I am working that I have committments before becoming the Warrior Guru"

Stealth nods to Jinsem, who stands up to address the assembly.

Jinsem says, "you answered my question with that last sentence"

Jinsem says, "but.."

Stealth nods.

Jinsem says, "how storng are these tuies to the other obligations"

Jinsem says, "ties"

Stealth says, "Well I have things I am committed to finishing...and I don't like not finishing things and leaving them. Some I am close to finished, some are not. But I think as most people will say I hate to work on one thing and one thing only."

Jinsem asks, "can you estimate your "warriorness" on a 1 to 10 scale ?"

Jinsem says, "thats all I really need to know"

Stealth says, "probably 10.5"

Talisker chuckles.

Stealth chuckles.

Jinsem asks, "is that your serious answer ?"

Stealth says, "this is something I am very passionate about...I did not get assigned to this position...I asked for it when I was hired."

Jinsem says, "so I would guess you place it high"

Jinsem says, "all I need"

Stealth says, "So that should give you some idea of where I want to be on this."

Stealth nods.

Stealth says, "well alot of it is still being planned but I envision there being several categories of skills"

Stealth says, "divided several ways"

Stealth says, "For one the list will be somewhat open to rogues"

Stealth says, "there will be a "shared" list"

Stealth says, "a warrior list"

Stealth says, "and a rogue list"

Stealth says, "as it were"

Stealth says, "so that is part of the divisions"

Stealth says, "from there I see lots of subsets...weapon skills, unarmed skills, defensive skills, miscellaneous skills"

Stealth nods to Dragoncall, who stands up to address the assembly.

Stealth asks, "Did that kind of cover it?"

Dragoncall says, "Aye"

Stealth nods.

Dragoncall says, "But"

Dragoncall asks, "Have you already decided to implement some chosen skills at this time?"

Stealth holds up his hand and tilts it side to side in a so-so gesture.

Dragoncall says, "I mean any already to go in concrete"

Stealth says, "I really don't have any set ideas yet"

Dragoncall says, "Ahh aye"

Stealth says, "none I want to commit to and say 100% this will be on the list"

Dragoncall says, "Can you estimate"

Stealth says, "Sure I have some that everyone talks about...shield bash is a good bet"

Dragoncall asks, "about how many there will to be released at first?"

Dragoncall says, "down with shields"

Stealth says, "How many I can't say right now."

Stealth says, "As I said no one warrior will be able to master them all at the current plan"

Dragoncall says, "Thank you for answering my questions"

Stealth nods.

Stealth nods to Morgiest, who stands up to address the assembly.

Stealth says, "Shield bash is a good idea"

Stealth says, "Charge as well"

Stealth says, "Trip I doubt we will see since it is a skill already"

Morgiest says, "Mine is a two parter"

Morgiest asks, "One. Will these skills be learned in the guild I assume? As part of yer make the guild mer useful strategy?"

Stealth says, "One thing to note...all we are doing tonite is getting ideas and working from there. I don't want folks to be under the impression that "this is how it will be" in stone."

Stealth says, "For one thing I want your opinions.."

Stealth says, "not just how I want it"

Stealth says, "and it has to be done and approved."

Stealth says, "These skills will not be part of the guild currently."

Morgiest asks, "And two. Will it be possible to "unlearn" skills if we are unable to master them all? Or once ye git em yer gonna be stuck with em?"

Stealth says, "Second one I have not made a decision on yet"

Stealth says, "though I have done some thinking on it."

Morgiest says, "Thank ye fer takin me questions."

Stealth nods.

Stealth nods to Tanner, who stands up to address the assembly.

Tanner says, "My questions are too many to go into and I am sure many here will ask much the same so I will only cover a couple... "

Stealth says, "Well lets address your box one."

Stealth says, "Let me think of a good analogy for you."

Stealth says, "Say a young boy was very good at swordplay"

Stealth says, "and he were to fight someone older and more experienced in general but not as good per se with a sword."

Morgiest says, "Bah, we cant see the box questions"

Stealth says, "he would still likely be outclassed in that case"

Tanner says, "not necessarily"

Tanner says, "a young brawler will in many cases take someone who is skilled in other arts"

Morgiest says, "Kin ye please repeat the question Lord Stealth, as we cannae see them..."

Stealth says, "/do"

Tanner says, "and the current skills are all or mostly age based"

Stealth says, "Tanner says, 'stealth reference the maneuvers... why is tackle age based as apposed to skill based. a master in tackle at age/level 25 cannot tackle a player who is lvl 50 regardlessas to whether that person has one lick of training in CM.'"

Stealth says, "Unfortunately most of the combat mechanics will be age based for game balance reasons."

Tanner says, "it would seem to me that if I train completely in the fighting arts"

Tanner asks, "game balance?"

Stealth says, "it prevents abuse to the system of say a 25th train tackle master"

Stealth says, "being able to tackle a 200th training creature"

Stealth says, "so therefore we have made it so that age and skill and training all affect it"

Tanner says, "that makes sense to some degree"

Stealth says, "rather than one facet"

Tanner says, "ok"

Stealth nods.

Tanner says, "so they will all be age based as it is now"

Tanner says, "regardless of skill or training"

Stealth says, "I cannot say for sure but they will be based in part on skill"

Stealth says, "so for one to be good at shield bash"

Stealth says, "one would train in shields"

Stealth says, "at a minimum"

Stealth says, "there might be other skills that would affect it as well"

Stealth calls the assembly to order. After a moment the crowd quiets down.

Stealth says, "I doubt the maneuver list will be usable with other skills like berserk or mstrike."

Stealth nods to Lajala, who stands up to address the assembly.

Lajala says, "Well"

>Lajala says, "I have lot's, but we'll do box I assume..."

Stealth nods.

Lajala says, "it's a little revised"

Lajala says, "so I'll do that for folks to see"

Lajala says, "How about getting berserk more like an automated group off attack's, running through random attack's created once the maneuver list is created? Still last x amount of attacks, with +x to AS, and weakened afterward's. Example would be <berserk troll> you head butt the troll (rt) you bearhug the troll (rt) you tackle [guild skill] the troll (rt) you swing your sword at the troll (rt) you mstrike (rt) you mstrike the troll [if possible] (rt)"

Lajala says, "hehe"

Stealth says, "Lajala says, 'How about getting berserk more like an automated group off attack's, running through random attack's created once the maneuver list is created? Still last x amount of attacks, with +x to AS, and weakened afterward's. Example would be <berserk troll> you head butt the troll (rt) you pommel smash the troll (rt) you tackle the troll (rt) you bearhug the troll (rt) you swing your sword at the troll (rt) you mstrike (rt)'"

Stealth nods.

Stealth says, "So as I said.."

Stealth says, "I doubt the maneuver list will be usable with other skills like berserk or mstrike."

Lajala asks, "how about just mstrike and other gulid skills?"

Stealth asks, "how so?"

Lajala says, "bersek troll then you tackle it disarm it warcry at it kill it mstrike (it)"

Lajala says, "or yeah mstrike bash...that'd be cool too hehe"

Stealth says, "Thats not really the way mstrike was designed."

Stealth grins.

Lajala says, "be more of a targetted"

Lajala says, "it's how targetted mstrike work's ::grin:: only work if you have 40 rank's, just picture the box as a big critter too dumb to move"

Lajala says, "just variety in berserk instead of swing swing swing...we're more than that, now"

Stealth says, "aye but its a bit of a different skill"

Lajala says, "make us wild, crazy mean...like someone who is you know, in a rage"

Stealth says, "I do have plans to revamp the berserk skill"

Stealth says, "but lets hold off on that for a bit"

Having finished addressing the assembly Lajala sits back down.

Stealth says, "Bobmuhthol says, 'I would like tackling to have a penalty of -10 to the MS rather than the -20 for a weak grip. This seems like an insane request, but the -20 penalty is rather annoying when you continue to get weak grips'"

Stealth says, "I really don't think the tackle skill is all that weak...I think its our best skill actually. The weak grip part does tend to go away as you train more."

Stealth says, "So I don't think that is really in need of changing right now"

Stealth says, "Junis says, 'I'd like to see a knee kick type attack, where you attempt to kick a foes knee and break it, to knock them down and or stun them.'"

Stealth says, "This is a good suggestion, but the one thing I am worried about is the similarity to the "knee bash" rogue skill."

Stealth nods to Junis, who stands up to address the assembly.

Junis asks, "Also had a couple more questions Do you plan to release the list as a whole, or will it be released piece meal as skills become ready? And also... I take it you know our history with gurus isnt the best. In fact it may be the worst of any of the professions. How long of a commitment do you plan to give, or do you think you'll be able to have fun and ignore the stick in the muds that drove away our other gurus?"

Junis says, "I wasnt sure which skills the rogues had or not"

Junis says, "And there are also a lot of suggestions for other skills on the boards, as I'm sure you've seen"

Stealth says, "I have not decided whether to release them all at once or in part."

Stealth says, "Both ways have plusses and minuses."

Junis says, "Oh, and a more offensive stance and empty right hand help you get better grips too"

Junis says, "on tackle"

Stealth says, "To be honest...I have no plans to uptweak tackle at all."

Junis says, "I meant for the other person"

Junis says, "Helps reduce weak grips"

Stealth asks, "so if I tackle you with an empty hand it should help me?"

Junis says, "It does, or atleast in my experience"

Stealth says, "or if you tackle me with my hand empty..."

Stealth says, "Well I can't tell you whether it does or not..."

Stealth grins.

Junis says, "If I'm tackling you, or a critter, currently, I'll get less weak grips if I keep my right hand empty, and stay in a more offensive stance"

Stealth says, "but I have no plans to make tackle any stronger"

Stealth says, "As far as the committment..."

Stealth says, "Well this is a job I asked for...I specifically asked for this."

Stealth says, "I don't anticipate having trouble getting these ideas approved if they are reasonable."

Stealth says, "Again the reasonableness is the factor."

Having finished addressing the assembly Junis sits back down.

Stealth says, "Jarlstrom says, 'stealth please explain the list a bit more so we may better suggest ie tell us what it is YOU have in mind so we may give suggestions in the right direction.'"

Stealth nods to Jarlstrom, who stands up to address the assembly.

Stealth asks, "Have I covered this pretty well so far?"

Jarlstrom says, "will these skills cost us development points like weapon skills or be learnable like guild skills with practice and the approiate skills"

Jarlstrom says, "appropiate e'en"

Stealth says, "There I am not 100% sure on. I do not want to do them like guild skills."

Jarlstrom says, "but ifn yas make us lern em ina inn we ol guys get screwed"

Jarlstrom says, "badly"

Stealth says, "But let me get back to this in more detail after I talk to the rest of the Combat team."

Stealth says, "I would try to avoid doing that"

Stealth nods to Jarlstrom.

Jarlstrom says, "dun make me eat yas"

Jarlstrom says, "tankyas"

Stealth says, "but yes I do not want to see that happen so I will be working to find a way to avoid it"

Having finished addressing the assembly Jarlstrom sits back down.

Stealth says, "Seems Haephestus had to go"

Stealth says, "but I think we covered Shield bash to some extent...I think it has been the most requested skill so far."

Stealth says, "ok I am going to open the box back up...if you already put in a question please refrain from doing so this round."

Talisker nods to Stealth.

Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.

Stealth closes the question box.

Stealth says, "Silnoc says, 'Why is it that Giantmen have an advantage to tackling? I know that their bigger and stronger than the other races, and they hit harder and are more difficult to take down. But what about the quicker races, example elves, and half-elves? Shouldn't we at least be able to dodge tackles better?'"

Stealth says, "Before I go on with the questions..."

Stealth says, "Talisker has an announcement."

Talisker chuckles.

Stealth grins.

Talisker says, "Evening, folks."

Talisker says, "I just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself."

Talisker says, "I'm your new Warrior Liaison. I'll be monitoring the warrior categories on the boards."

Talisker says, "And keeping in touch with Stealth to keep communications open."

Stealth grins.

Talisker says, "So, look for an announcement on the boards."

Talisker grins.

Stealth grins.

Talisker says, "Thanks, Stealth."

Talisker winks.

Stealth says, "Talisker has as much or more experience with warrioring as I do...so he is well versed."

Talisker grins.

Stealth grins.

Stealth says, "Silnoc says, 'Why is it that Giantmen have an advantage to tackling? I know that their bigger and stronger than the other races, and they hit harder and are more difficult to take down. But what about the quicker races, example elves, and half-elves? Shouldn't we at least be able to dodge tackles better?'"

Stealth nods to Silnoc, who stands up to address the assembly.

Stealth says, "I think you mainly need to look at the fact that some races make better warriors...some make better wizards."

Stealth says, "it depends on how you do things"

Stealth says, "I find that the faster races have huge advantages in speed and such."

Stealth says, "The larger ones hit harder and are harder to bleed out."

Stealth says, "Dwarves are resistat to magic as are the halflings."

Stealth says, "resistant too"

Silnoc says, "well, yes, but I feel that tackle should also be based on how fast you are not just how big you are."

Silnoc says, "Jacinto made the analogy of the linebacker vs. running back, and I think that kind of applies here."

Stealth says, "How to say this...you as a player cannot see all of the mechanics behind the skills."

Stealth says, "and speed is a factor"

Stealth says, "how it factors in I can't say"

Stealth says, "But at the same time...if you are 150 pounds and you try to "catch" that elf or that halfling"

Stealth says, "you might have an advantage in size"

Stealth says, "but his speed makes it hard to catch"

Stealth says, "at the same time you try to tackle that giant"

Stealth says, "he is easy to catch"

Stealth says, "but good luck knocking him down"

Stealth says, "so in my eyes its a wash"

Stealth says, "one is easier to catch"

Stealth says, "but harder to knock down"

Stealth says, "and vice versa"

Silnoc says, "I know, I'm not really looking for any incrase to the MS one of the faster races, but how about to the MD? I think if I see a 300+ pound giantman comin at me I'd be more able to dodge him, than have him adjust his heading to intercept me"

Silnoc says, "yeah, I agree with all that"

Stealth says, "since we do not have a seperate mechanic for "makes contact" and "knocks you down"..."

Stealth says, "its all one roll"

Stealth says, "if we had seperate rolls I would be more inclined to say yes"

Stealth says, "but thats not really how the system is built"

Stealth says, "it factors both speed (dodging) and size (tough to knockdown) into one number MD"

Silnoc says, "ok, but I think that in that respect we elves and smaller races get the short end of the stick"

Silnoc says, "and many of us are very fast"

Silnoc asks, "why not give bonuses to MS or MD depending on race +5 MS -5 MD to giant kin -10 MS +10 MD to halfling?"

Stealth says, "I think each race has its strong points and weak points"

Stealth says, "and as I said...some races WILL be more suited to a profession."

Silnoc says, "yes, but I'm looking to make it more fair, I hate seeing a giantman with the same ranks, who's lower level walk all over me."

Stealth says, "I am sure that same giantman hates seeing you swinging a claidhmore 3 seconds faster.."

Talisker grins.

Stealth says, "or dodging maneuver attacks much better"

Silnoc says, "true....."

Stealth says, "I really don't think moving MDs around is a worthwhile project."

Stealth says, "for one thing its mostly a CvC thing"

Stealth says, "and if you read your oath"

Stealth says, "you should not be using your guild skills on other people anyway"

Stealth says, "but I really would think if I got to looking at that it would be a good while before I can get to it"

Stealth says, "ok next question"

Having finished addressing the assembly Silnoc sits back down.

Stealth says, "Yviara says, 'will warriors newly starting have an advantage over those uf us a little farther on when this manuevers list comes into play?'"

Stealth says, "I don't know for sure but I am going to try to make it so that the older characters are not hurt by this addition."

Stealth nods to Yviara, who stands up to address the assembly.

Yviara says, "You equated the list to that of a "Spell list" will we be able to catch up to our level of training? "

Stealth says, "As I said you won't be able to master all the skills anyway."

Stealth says, "I said it would NOT be like a spell list in that respect"

Yviara says, "Thank you"

Stealth says, "With the ideas I currently have it should not affect older characters negatively...but all this is subject to approval."

Having finished addressing the assembly Yviara sits back down.

Stealth says, "Kronif says, 'i just wanted to ask about our current guild skill.. the skill bashing we should at least learn from breaking a box. and for tackle we should get lower rt based on armor train and encumbrance. aslo our redux should be tweaked to include spells like lightning also.'"

Stealth nods to Kronif, who stands up to address the assembly.

Kronif says, "ello"

Stealth says, "I will be assessing all the skills and looking at them."

Stealth says, "so I will look into the experience issue with boxes"

Stealth says, "no promises though on yes or no"

Kronif says, "i just dont find it fair that a waggler can pop a box with a gesture and get exp yet i beat the crap out of a box that i busated my butt to learn and i get nothing"

Stealth nods to Kronif.

Stealth says, "I will look into it"

Stealth says, "I do not see lowering the base tackle round time any"

Stealth says, "Redux seems to work fine on lightning to me."

Stealth grins.

Kronif says, "heeh"

Having finished addressing the assembly Kronif sits back down.

Stealthsays, "Garumn says, 'stealth What about having a defensive bonus when fighting multiple creatures depending on your training in Multi Opponent combat?'"

Stealth says, "That one I can't really comment on since it is GM Ophion's system."

Stealth says, "And not a warrior issue perse."

Kronif stands up.

Stealth nods to Garumn, who stands up to address the assembly.

Garumn asks, "You said that there may be defensive skills in the set of skills as well, anything that could possibly help us Two-handed swingers out?"

Stealth says, "probably"

Stealth nods to Garumn.

Garumn says, "once we get up in training the fighting gets tough on us"

Garumn says, "get hit once in the eye and we're dead, caught in the wrong stance for a second and it's over, where if ye have a shield the chances of surviving are much higher"

Stealth says, "there should be a wide variety of offensive and defensive skills available"

Garumn asks, "but no ideas as of yet that ye kin share?"

Stealth says, "nope I am purposefully not giving many details until they are approved and I assess how the coding will work."

Stealth says, "I don't want to tell you all we are getting something and then take it away when it is not feasible or not approved."

Garumn says, "aye, I understand that"

Stealth nods to Garumn.

Having finished addressing the assembly Garumn sits back down.

Stealth says, "Zamar says, 'so would ranks per level be a factor. Not many triple in shields or physical now because many view it as a waste training point wise. Giving a benefit to maxing out some skills every level that currently aren't would give warriors many more tough but viable choices when training.'"

Stealth says, "All I can say on that is...if a skill factors into the maneuver"

Stealth says, "having more skill is better"

Stealth nods to Zamar, who stands up to address the assembly.

Zamar asks, "A third train in PT or Sheild, over the course of your life is very expensive and you would have to give something else up. A second train in MO your whole life could just be flat out dangerous and also very expensive. Why not have some benefit to offset the great costs?"

Stealth says, "I agree"

Zamar says, "Thank you"

Stealth says, "if you triple in a skill that affects the maneuver"

Stealth says, "you should be better than a singler or doubler"

Having finished addressing the assembly Zamar sits back down.

Stealth says, "Augusti says, 'I am not sure if this would be a valid "manuever" but how about some sort of Tactic... say you're fighting a spell caster that uses warding attacks... that a Warrior could utilize to defend against an impending spell attack... something like channeling our inner will and knowledge of MIU and Scrolls to generate a momentary defense that temporarily boosts TD'"

Stealth says, "I think thats a good suggestion"

Stealth nods to Augusti.

Stealth nods to Augusti, who stands up to address the assembly.

Stealth says, "I can't say it will be approved"

Stealth says, "but I will definitely put it on my list to submit"

Augusti says, "Understood"

Stealth says, "good suggestion"

Having finished addressing the assembly Augusti sits back down.

Stealth says, "Jacinto says, 'I've got a few ideas on how to trigger this..that might not involve CM and screwing the old folks out...and limit the abuse....it'd mean a lot of different skills...but few per each person'"

Jacinto stands up.

Stealth nods to Jacinto, who stands up to address the assembly.

Stealth nods to Jacinto.

Jacinto says, "Well."

Jacinto says, "I see this....to be balanced."

Jacinto says, "As being based on what we all specialize in."

Jacinto says, "Though it is very coding intensive..."

Jacinto says, "Each of us has our qualities..."

Jacinto says, "That make us a warrior of Elanthia."

Lajala just left.

Jacinto says, "I picture two skills...."

Jacinto says, "For most of the warrior type skills."

Jacinto says, "And maybe even things like the additional stuff"

Jacinto says, "Like scroll use, trading"

Jacinto says, "Each of us can pick two skills to learn, total"

Jacinto says, "Based on different things."

Jacinto says, "Say.....CM....you have dodge related things"

Praulk stands up.

Jacinto says, "Thrown weapons.....maybe a throw in a deceptive fashion"

Jacinto says, "From the back of the crowd"

Jacinto says, "The more traditional weapons"

Stealth nods.

Jacinto says, "An attack skill....and a defense skill"

Jacinto says, "You'd be coding your brains out."

Jacinto says, "There'd be a lot of skills"

Jacinto says, "But each of us could only pick two...."

Stealth nods.

Jacinto says, "They'd be effected by our level of training in those abilities we picked"

Jacinto says, "Say....I use polearms...."

Stealth nods.

Jacinto says, "I could pick a whirling defense type skill"

Jacinto says, "The effects would be based on my polearms training"

Jacinto says, "Say I also train armor heavily...."

Jacinto says, "There might be one armor skill....related to lowered hinderance early on"

Jacinto says, "And increased carrying capacity with armor as one develops past the max point of armor"

Jacinto says, "Those would be my two skills"

Jacinto says, "I couldn't train any others"

Jacinto says, "They'd be based on my polearms skill and my armor skill"

Stealth nods.

Jacinto says, "Another person might train in a brawling related headbutt....or uppercut."

Stealth nods.

Jacinto says, "Which I see as warriorly"

Jacinto says, "Another...."

Jacinto says, "A sword block....and a focused sword strike."

Jacinto says, "This way.....we all get a couple unique skills"

Jacinto says, "Based on the skills we train in most heavily"

Stealth nods to Jacinto.

Jacinto says, "This is balanced...."

Stealth says, "That is going to be what I aim for is a heavily skill based system"

Jacinto says, "I've got a ton more ideas....but I see this as a way of making these be useful....and limited."

Stealth says, "now the system may end up being MD based"

Jacinto says, "At the least....I'd love to see traditional warrior skills in here."

Stealth says, "but your MA so to speak will factor in skill"

Jacinto says, "I don't think CM should be the sole factor though"

Jacinto says, "Because every one of us"

Stealth says, "in some cases it might"

Jacinto says, "Or everyone except the strange types"

Stealth says, "in some cases it might not"

Jacinto says, "Doubles CM"

Jacinto asks, "Y'know?"

Stealth says, "But remember as I said earlier"

Jacinto says, "This'd make some division"

Jacinto says, "And not screw some folks."

Stealth says, "there will be three lists"

Stealth says, "warrior shared and rogue"

Jacinto says, "I was delayed....regretably."

Stealth says, "I know alot of rogues who do not double in CM."

Jacinto says, "Aye."

Stealth says, "so yes CM will factor in"

Stealth says, "but I agree"

Jacinto says, "Ahh"

Jacinto says, "Thus...our abilities"

Jacinto says, "Would determine our powers."

Stealth nods to Jacinto.

Jacinto says, "Heavily inspired by some things, but I'll detail it."

Jacinto says, "Perfect"

Stealth nods to Jacinto.

Jacinto says, "I've spent a LONG time thinking"

Having finished addressing the assembly Jacinto sits back down.

Stealth just tickled Jacinto.

Stealth says, "Varsus says, 'In the system is it possible for, per say with shield bash, that special properties of the shields would help with bash? As in, spikes, enchant...?'"

Stealth says, "I doubt the description having "spikes" in it will affect the skills"

Stealth nods to Varsus, who stands up to address the assembly.

Stealth says, "other legitimate aspects of the item may well factor in"

Stealth says, "enchant"

Stealth says, "weight"

Stealth says, "etc"

Stealth says, "but those are up in the air as well"

Having finished addressing the assembly Varsus sits back down.

Stealth says, "ok lets take a short break then I will open the box up some more"

Stealth says, "time for some ale"

Talisker grins at Stealth.

Stealth opens the floor back up for general discussion.

Stealth says, "lets take about 5 minutes and then I will do more questions."

<Edited for content. Removed all movement etc. until meetin was called to order again>

[Global Assembly]

In this large assembly room, meetings are convened to deal with the affairs of the world. There is ample room for benches, long tables and other furnishings befitting special occasions. You also see the Bue disk and the Aracan disk.

Also in the room: Augusti who is seated, Silon, Lady Kymberlyn, Lord Xanith, Megaladon, Leahwyn, Alerr who is seated, Bue, Nefoo, Stephenn, Perigourd who is seated, Crio who is seated, Thaumatous, Lord Jovann, Skaster who is seated, Lady Raulda, Garumn who is seated, Jacinto who is seated, Andhar who is seated, Aracan who is seated, Great Lady Vif, Lord Eahlstan who is seated, Lord Dergan who is seated, Lady Sallyforth who is seated, Jaipel who is seated, Washee who is seated, Jota who is seated, Fireaxis who is seated, GameMaster Talisker who is seated, Varsus who is seated, Lord Jonty, Lecit who is seated, Lord Vindicate who is seated, Morgiest, Murgin who is seated, Renowned Lord Drizzsdt who is seated, Landceal who is seated, Lady Sherysse who is seated, Lord Zosopage who is seated, Fralcon, Lunatick, Silnoc who is seated, Jec who is seated, Lady Yviara who is seated, Lady Sung who is seated, GameMaster Stealth, Junis who is seated, Journeyman Lellaina who is seated, Lord Lenonius who is seated, Dragoncall who is seated

Stealth calls the assembly to order. After a moment the crowd quiets down.

Stealth says, "ok one more round of general questions."

Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.

Stealth closes the question box.

Stealth says, "hmm box is being difficult again"

Stealth says, "so please resubmit you questions"

Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.

Stealth closes the question box.

Stealth kicks the box.

Stealth says, "Vif says, 'stealth Why can casters cast at us, rogues steal from us, they do things to us without using their weapons but we can't use OUR guild skills like tackle or warcry to defend ourselves in the same situation -- to me it makes no sense!'"

Stealth says, "Well you can use your skills..."

Stealth says, "to defend yourself"

Stealth says, "If someone is casting at you or attacking you...sure you can tackle them."

Stealth says, "Plus you took an oath to get your skills"

Stealth nods to Vif, who stands up to address the assembly.

Vif says, "I know several folks NOT just me who have "reported" and nothing was done.... they use THEIR guild skills we should be able to use ours... but they use spells of harm/war upon us and we can't respond... "

Stealth says, "If you are a warrior and you want to keep your skills...I suggest you abide by your oath."

Stealth says, "if you want to get back at someone...thats up to you."

Vif says, "So we accept it... and that's that."

Stealth says, "but you are roleplaying a guild member"

Stealth says, "as a guild member"

Stealth says, "You swore an oath."

Stealth says, "and to keep your skills you must abide by it"

Vif says, "I am roleplaying as most of us are as a warrior ... we swore an oath but not one to be beaten on without retribution."

Stealth says, "So defend yourself"

Vif says, "we can't..."

Stealth says, "does not mean you have to kill the person"

Vif says, "they can web us in town? what can we do? "

Vif says, "they can silence us, implode us"

Stealth asks, "what would you like to be able to do to them?"

Vif says, "what can we do? I am sure i'm not the only warrior who feels this helpless."

Vif says, "knock em down drag em off a cliff"

Stealth says, "Well the guild is not something you can do that with."

Vif says, "can we spit again? "

Vif says, "at least we can spit in their eye"

Stealth says, "you have other avenues of fighting them"

Stealth says, "Spitting caused way too much trouble."

Vif says, "though personally after they do something to me... I'd rather kill em"

Stealth says, "so thats a no"

Stealth says, "So take em outside and kill them"

Vif says, "okay."

Vif says, "works for me."

Stealth says, "you can do that WITHOUT guild skills"

Stealth says, "and do it in a roleplayed manner"

Stealth says, "if you just drag someone out and kill them for no reason"

Stealth says, "expect a warning"

Vif says, "and we need a focused kick... that would nice as a warrior"

Vif says, "not like a karate chop..."

Stealth says, "if someone initiates a conlict with you"

Stealth says, "and you roleplay it out"

Stealth says, "You should be within the policies."

Vif says, "could you give us an example? I'm sure most of us would be unsure on which side of the line we would tread"

Stealth says, "ok an example"

Vif says, "Thank you! <beaming>"

Stealth says, "Someone comes in and you have an arguement"

Stealth says, "they cast an offensive spell that does damage to you"

Stealth says, "or hit you"

Stealth says, "I would say thats probably an invitation to conflict"

Stealth says, "someone comes in and says something you don't like"

Stealth says, "that IS NOT an invitation to kill them"

Stealth says, "someone attacks someone you know"

Vif says, "how about light maim? ::giggling::"

Stealth says, "that is not your business"

Stealth says, "ok lets move on to another question"

Stealth smiles.

Having finished addressing the assembly Vif sits back down.

Stealth says, "Dergan says, 'is there any thought being given to including any repairing or forging skills to the warrior guild? Perhaps some way to enhance the systems that are already in place that would allow either greater chance of success or greater quality to a repair or and added skill like balancing or honing an edge to increase the benefits of a forged weapon? '"

Stealth says, "Those are more appropriately addressed to the Artisan guild."

Stealth says, "Since I can't really speak for what forging will allow you to do."

Stealth nods to Dergan, who stands up to address the assembly.

Dergan says, "good evening, thank you for hosting this forum"

Dergan asks, "well, i understand they are artisan skills, but what about adding to them as a guild skill?"

Stealth says, "As I said that would be up to the Artisan Guild."

Dergan says, "i would love to see some cooperation between the teams here"

Dergan asks, "what would be wrong with enhancing other areas skills?"

Stealth says, "I don't really have any control over that. I can pass it along. But it is not my area to make decisions in."

Dergan says, "i understand, but i think some condsideration needs to be given to this area"

Stealth nods.

Stealth says, "I think it is pretty much a decided case though."

Stealth says, "so don't expect any changes in that line."

Dergan says, "thank you for your time, i can see not much movement will be made here, how unfortunate"

Having finished addressing the assembly Dergan sits back down.

Stealth says, "Aracan says, 'What about the effects of adrenaline...say the longer we've been in battle, the more creatures we face at once, or the more damage we're taking, maybe the harder we swing or the faster we move?'"

Stealth nods to Aracan, who stands up to address the assembly.

Stealth says, "I can see using something along those lines as a skill"

Stealth says, "but it would have a drawback of tiring you out after the adrenalin rush"

Stealth says, "good suggestion though"

Aracan says, "I consider that kind of like an instinctive thing...you're getting knocked around and know you've got to do what it takes to survive."

Stealth nods.

Aracan says, "It's rather like berserking, I guess."

Stealth says, "good suggestion"

Stealth nods.

Aracan says, "Thanks."

Having finished addressing the assembly Aracan sits back down.

Stealth says, "Perigourd says, 'are any of the manuever attacks based on what race you are? i.g. a dwarf curling himself into a ball and rolling at you?'"

Stealth says, "I don't think there will be any racial specific ones but there 'might' be"

Stealth says, "I can see racial modifiers"

Stealth nods to Perigourd, who stands up to address the assembly.

Perigourd says, "that's all i had"

Stealth nods.

Having finished addressing the assembly Perigourd sits back down.

Stealth says, "Zosopage says, 'as we get older the number of ranks we can train in guild skills is four correct? Is it possible to raise that limit somewhat?'"

Stealth says, "I doubt that is something we would change alot but I can look into it."

Stealth nods to Zosopage, who stands up to address the assembly.

Zosopage says, "some people can't be in the lands to train as much but would like to increase their guild skills, so any increase would be helpful"

Stealth nods.

Stealth says, "I can ask and look into it but again no promises on it."

Having finished addressing the assembly Zosopage sits back down.

Stealth says, "Jacinto says, 'Is there ever going to be a modification for Disarm for those of us who brawl and Fu?'"

Stealth nods to Jacinto, who stands up to address the assembly.

Stealth says, "Fu should have nothing to do with the guild IMO"

Stealth says, "disarming barehanded is something I am looking at"

Jacinto says, "Okay."

Stealth says, "I like the idea myself"

Jacinto says, "I don't consider open handed a valid attack, non Fu"

Jacinto says, "But this makes sense to me as a kind of quick strike"

Jacinto says, "I'm not suggesting grabbing blades, mind."

Stealth says, "I need to see how feasible it is and whether I can get it approved"

Jacinto asks, "Make sense?"

Stealth says, "Well I look at it this way"

Jacinto says, "Kuromaku suggested it at one point....as a mastery thing..."

Jacinto says, "Then left."

Stealth says, "I find disarming a blade barehanded no more farfetched than.."

Stealth says, "defending against a claidhmore with an open hand"

Jacinto says, "Maybe as a grabbing wrists or arms..."

Jacinto says, "I totally agree."

Jacinto says, "And the standard is there....crazily enough."

Stealth says, "So realistically I see no problem with it"

Jacinto says, "Historically....and in different parts of the world."

Jacinto says, "Excellent."

Stealth says, "Mechanically and getting it approved we shall see."

Jacinto says, "Ahh."

Having finished addressing the assembly Jacinto sits back down.

Stealth says, "Thaumatous says, 'Are these combat maneuver skills going to be trained at the guild or just improve as we train normal skills?'"

Stealth says, "I am hoping to seperate them from the guild."

Stealth says, "not all warriors want to belong to the guild"

Stealth nods to Thaumatous, who stands up to address the assembly.

Thaumatous says, "That's about what I thought. To say nothing of the difficult of putting together howevermany sets of training gear..."

Stealth nods.

Stealth says, "I think it would be easier and better to do it away from the guild."

Thaumatous says, "The guild skills strike me as sort of... well, forms, so you need some stylistic training too..."

Stealth says, "But let me get some approval first before I commit on it."

Having finished addressing the assembly Thaumatous sits back down.

Stealth says, "Nefoo says, 'one possible skill should reflect archery being useable at a distance, this was suposedly addressed but with no visable effect, polarms were in this catagory as well'"

Stealth says, "Hmm these are not really areas applicable to warriors only."

Stealth says, "so I am going to have to say no on these"

Stealth nods to Nefoo, who stands up to address the assembly.

Stealth says, "I would like to hear suggestions on maneuvers for thrown and ranged weapons though if you ahve them post them on the boards."

Nefoo says, "I was just figuring that wilt mor focused traning it would or could have greater affect defensively"

Stealth nods.

Stealth says, "I doubt it will be in the manner you suggest though"

Stealth says, "I don't doubt we will have defensive skills"

Stealth says, "just not "ranged" defense so to speak."

Nefoo says, "i look for any hope for archery improvement, with its current state not acceptable to me"

Stealth nods.

Stealth says, "I think some changes are planned but I am not sure what they are at this point."

Having finished addressing the assembly Nefoo sits back down.

Stealth says, "Alerr says, 'I would love to see a charge based skill that will go along with pole-arms, so we wont be forgotten and be shafted'"

Stealth says, "good suggestion...I doubt it will be polearm based only"

Stealth nods to Alerr, who stands up to address the assembly.

Alerr says, "I didn't mean just pole-arms"

Alerr says, "but perhaps a pole-arm such as a lance might have a lil bit more use to it"

Stealth says, "I doubt we would see that happening honestly."

Stealth says, "Lances are the hardest hitting weapon in the lands aside from a claidh with weighting."

Alerr says, "that is true.."

Alerr says, "no further questions"

Stealth nods.

Having finished addressing the assembly Alerr sits back down.

Stealth says, "Lunatick says, 'ask im curious bout the RPing stuff, wut kinda things are you plannin on implementin and in wut kinda time frame? and also are yall gonna give us more mildstones in our 'lives'. i mean as warriors we got very few, 15 when we get in, 36 when we can become guildmasters and im sure a few more that im forgetting, but you know wut i mean...'"

Stealth says, "good questions...I want to work out some ideas to get a guild system set up with the players."

Stealth says, "a guild council"

Stealth says, "a hierarchy within the guild"

Stealth says, "I would like to see other ranks in the guild."

Stealth says, "aside from member and guildmaster"

Stealth says, "I want to make some additional requirements for guildmasters"

Stealth says, "Teaching...etc...doing things a guildmaster would do."

Stealth says, "Lunatick says, 'ask im curious bout the RPing stuff, wut kinda things are you plannin on implementin and in wut kinda time frame? and also are yall gonna give us more mildstones in our 'lives'. i mean as warriors we got very few, 15 when we get in, 36 when we can become guildmasters and im sure a few more that im forgetting, but you know wut i mean...'"

Stealth says, "Augusti says, 'How will the proposed Semi-Dux affect DFRedux as we know it? Will more skills be involved in "improve" DFR or will certain skills count more and others less? '"

Stealth says, "This is not really an area I can cover right now."

Stealth grins.

Stealth says, "Xanith says, 'Will any major changes be upcoming to the Warrior Guild or Guild Skills?'"

Stealth says, "I plan on assessing and looking at all the guild skills."

Stealth says, "And updating the ones I see that need it."

Stealth says, "I am going to open up to general questions....please keep the extraneous movement absent."

Stealth opens the floor back up for general discussion.

Drizzsdt raises his hand.

Stealth nods to Yviara.

Yviara asks, "When you speak about a council in guild, will it help police those in guild that attack and kill others with skills and will it help with teaching of honor?"

Stealth says, "I would hope so"

Stealth grins.

Morgiest raises his hand.

Yviara shakes her head.

Stealth nods.

Stealth nods to Drizzsdt.

Drizzsdt asks, "are you going to be the Warrior Guild Guru along with Warrior Guru. I didn't hear you mention the Guild Guru part?"

Stealth says, "Right now Taelrand is the overall guild guru for guild mechanics."

Jacinto raises his hand.

Drizzsdt nods.

Stealth says, "I will be taking over the warrior guild as well though."

Drizzsdt says, "ahh good, now I know who's going to finish my office"

Stealth says, "but it will be a shared office"

Drizzsdt smiles at Stealth.

Stealth says, "He will be working with guild mechanics in general"

Stealth says, "I will deal with those pertaining to warriors."

Stealth nods to Morgiest.

Stealth asks, "Morgiest?"

Morgiest asks, "Have you decided how this Guild council will be choosin yet? Or are yet not that far along in the process yet?"

Nefoo raises his hand.

Stealth says, "not really that far along but I want the warriors to have a good portion of the choice"

Morgiest asks, "So it wont just be say age based then hopefully?"

Stealth says, "no it won't but there will obviously be some minimum requirements"

Morgiest asks, "I mean, we could have say 40 trainin warriors on this council? As well as older then the dirt itself fiters?"

Drizzsdt gazes in wonder at his suroundings.

Stealth says, "as well as some time commitments"

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Morgiest says, "Thanke."

Morgiest grins at Drizzsdt.

Morgiest whistles tunelessly to himself.

Stealth says, "I don't want to have a guild council with someone who is never here for example"

Yviara appears to be trying hard not to grin.

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Morgiest says, "Great"

Stealth says, "or who is here but never has time to devote to their office"

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Sallyforth raises her hand.

Morgiest says, "Even better."

Yviara asks, "Or who is known for dishonorable conduct?"

Stealth says, "Jacinto"

Morgiest sits down.

Jacinto asks, "Will the training actions be looked at?"

Jacinto asks, "Different types of repetitions?"

Stealth says, "I don't see that as a priority"

Jacinto says, "Alright."

Jacinto smiles.

Yviara asks, "Or who is known for dishonorable conduct?"

Yviara blushes a lovely shade of bright pink.

Stealth says, "I would rather put my effort into developing things we have rather than changing stuff that is not broken"

Stealth says, "developing things we don't have that is"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Jacinto says, "Makes sense."

Jacinto says, "Yer gonna be a busy man."

Jacinto grins.

Stealth says, "Conduct will be part of the office"

Stealth nods to Yviara.

Stealth says, "Someone who abuses their skills for example"

Drizzsdt raises his hand.

Stealth says, "or who had previously attacked the training masters repeatedly"

Stealth says, "Frumpous"

Frumpous grins.

Frumpous asks, "maybe the haircut trick could actually change the appearance of the victim to "bald" or "scalped" until they are able to reach a remote location where a very expensive NPC/Shop restores the victim's hair. or maybe they would have to prove their worth to a warrior guild master by scrubbing and pruning, and then the guild master decides whether or not to grant the return of their hair? if they complain alot about scrubbing, then no hair! perhaps this would provide some deterrent to would be thieves and webbing fanatics. good idea or bad?"

Morgiest mutters burzmali.

Stealth grins.

Stealth says, "Funny but I think it would cause too much trouble with people who would abuse it."

Drizzsdt says, "that would be using a skill against another"

Drizzsdt says, "against the oath"

Stealth nods to Drizzsdt.

Frumpous says, "ahh, indeed you're probably right about that"

Frumpous says, "seems like that trick could be good fer sumthing a bit more though"

Frumpous ponders.

Jacinto raises his hand.

Frumpous says, "thanks for your thoughts though"

Frumpous nods to Stealth.

Stealth asks, "Sallyforth?"

Sallyforth says, "Does not a 'guild council' run the danger of making the guild the fief of one click or another... And i'm not sure I want to have one groups idea of 'Warrior honor' imposed upon the rest of us. "

Stealth says, "well I would say as the Guru I will be watching over such things to avoid that becoming a problem."

Sallyforth grins.

Sallyforth says, "better be paying a lot of attention then, good luck"

Stealth grins.

Stealth asks, "Nefoo did you go yet?"

Nefoo asks, "Will these skills require like level critters to train with, or simular as guild requires, in some cases it is imposible for traning to be done if this is so, and at what age would traning start at?"

Stealth says, "I honestly don't have those yet but I will do my best to insure that the impact of training is similar to all ages"

Stealth says, "ie I will try to keep it as equally hard or easy for all ages."

Nefoo says, "with me it is little affect of level critters, but for others, imposible is all i see"

Stealth nods.

Stealth says, "I can see it will sometimes be harder for younger folks to learn"

Stealth says, "but it should not be impossible"

Nefoo says, "indeed"

Stealth asks, "raise your hands again if you are waiting?"

Jacinto raises his hand.

Drizzsdt raises his hand.

Stealth nods to Jacinto.

Megaladon raises his hand.

Jacinto says, "Well...I'm working up a long set of ideas."

Jacinto asks, "Are you open to consideration of non direct combat/defense maneuvers?"

Jacinto asks, "Such as perception?"

Stealth asks, "explain a bit more?"

Jacinto says, "Or more for Rogues..."

Jacinto says, "Something based around your physical training...."

Jacinto says, "Or First Aid...."

Stealth asks, "such as?"

Jacinto says, "Or even scroll reading."

Stealth says, "you have to be more specific"

Jacinto says, "An attempt to shrug off poison/disease could be tied to first aid or physical training...for example."

Stealth nods.

Jacinto says, "Or a chance to predict an ambush....via perception..."

Stealth says, "I can look into it"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Stealth nods.

Stealth nods to Drizzsdt.

Jacinto says, "I've got ideas for the combat skills...was just curious if I should devote time to the others."

Stealth says, "sure"

Stealth nods to Jacinto.

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Jacinto says, "As regards the councill...I assume all warriors would have some input."

Jacinto nods to Sallyforth.

Drizzsdt says, "perhaps you can reinstal a system similar to the lil stars we got"

Sallyforth smiles at Jacinto.

Stealth asks, "for pins?"

Stealth peers quizzically at Drizzsdt.

Drizzsdt says, "so we could get say 4 council members together and remove a person from guild for say a month for using skills on another"

Stealth nods.

Drizzsdt says, "or attacking training administrators"

Drizzsdt says, "and even better"

Drizzsdt says, "badmouthing them"

Stealth says, "I doubt that that ability would be given to players....."

Stealth says, "but"

Drizzsdt says, "I know it sickens me to see folks cuss at them"

Stealth says, "the council could discuss and vote"

Morgiest nods to Drizzsdt.

Drizzsdt says, "why not? we got stars for deputies"

Stealth says, "and if the evidence warranted it I would take action"

Drizzsdt says, "on and could you finish Kuromaku's idea of a guild net on the pins"

Jacinto says, "Seems to me that that could lead to the trouble Sallyforth suggests....if they could be brought to the notice of the staff...."

Stealth says, "I have seen deputies abuse the powers far to often"

Jacinto says, "Instead."

Sallyforth nods to Jacinto.

Drizzsdt asks, "you dont have much faith in your fellow warriors who took the oath do ya?"

Stealth says, "I don't mind letting a council decide issues like this"

Drizzsdt peers quizzically at Jacinto.

Sallyforth says, "this is exactly what i'm talking about, the idea is not even born and already folk are planning how to control others"

Drizzsdt nods to Stealth.

Jacinto says, "Honestly....if you wander this city..."

Frumpous stands up.

Stealth asks, "After seeing some of what some folks do?"

Stealth peers quizzically at Drizzsdt.

Jacinto says, "I don't."

Stealth says, "no I don't"

Jacinto nods to Drizzsdt.

Stealth says, "some folks give the oath lip service"

Drizzsdt says, "um sallyforth this idea has been bantered around since before you was born my dear"

Sallyforth smiles at Drizzsdt.

Jacinto says, "And precisely that point."

Drizzsdt nods to Stealth.

Drizzsdt says, "that's why we need a way to weed em out"

Drizzsdt says, "as it is now"

Jacinto says, "what if five young masters who live on the boulder decide to remove you"

Drizzsdt says, "we report them"

Jacinto nods to Drizzsdt.

Drizzsdt says, "and we get told well we didnt see it"

Jacinto says, "For running into some trouble...at some point."

Drizzsdt says, "let us know next time"

Stealth says, "Thats a good question"

Sallyforth asks, "and just how far up on your list of folk to weed out would i be for disagreeing with you?"

Stealth nods to Jacinto.

Drizzsdt says, "um that's really hard to do cause it's a matter of seconds"

Varsus says, "Aye, I would have to agree it would be to easy to abuse if people were aloud to gang up and remove someone"

Jacinto asks, "Would you like that? After your years of effort?"

Stealth asks, "How would you feel if 5 folks got together and voted you out?"

Jacinto peers quizzically at Stealth.

Stealth peers quizzically at Drizzsdt.

Drizzsdt asks, "how can you remove me?"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Drizzsdt chuckles.

Jacinto says, "It'd go both ways."

Jacinto nods to Drizzsdt.

Drizzsdt says, "I am the head of the guild"

Stealth says, "easily if the 5 you suggest decide to"

Drizzsdt shakes his head.

Jacinto says, "There are other masters."

Drizzsdt says, "not unless you're going to change everything"

Drizzsdt says, "Jacinto I am the Master at Arms"

Stealth asks, "So you want a system that everyone BUT you can be removed?"

Stealth peers quizzically at Drizzsdt.

Drizzsdt says, "no"

Stealth says, "I don't hardly think that is fair."

Drizzsdt says, "but I'd have to be dealt with by you"

Drizzsdt says, "of course not"

Sallyforth says, "that is why this runs the danger of being Very elitiest"

Stealth says, "every warrior including you will be subject to the council if I do that"

Megaladon chuckles.

Stealth says, "no one will be immune"

Jacinto says, "So...if Megladon....as a pure example."

Jacinto says, "Decides you're leading the guild on witch hunts."

Stealth says, "But that is why I do not favor such a system in the first place."

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Varsus says, "I think the system so far has worked well. It has been stated by the guild masters that abuse of guild skills will lead to removal, If someone has a big problem, Report it."

Varsus shrugs.

Drizzsdt says, "i would think the council members would have to be dealth with by you"

Sallyforth nods to Varsus.

Drizzsdt says, "if they had a problem"

Drizzsdt says, "and the general members would be dealth with by council"

Stealth says, "I do like the idea of a guild council that can work on these areas."

Sallyforth says, "there are plenty of 'marching societies' about, ye don't need to make the guild one"

Drizzsdt says, "and say a 2 month term on council"

Jacinto says, "I like his idea...to the purpouse that four people could bring folks to the attention of the staff."

Morgiest asks, "But, whos to say who would be on the guild council?"

Morgiest shrugs.

Jacinto says, "It could be votes."

Jacinto grins.

Drizzsdt says, "that would work jacinto if we had a better way of proving it"

Drizzsdt says, "right now you say so and so did this"

Drizzsdt says, "and there is no proof"

Jacinto nods to Drizzsdt.

Drizzsdt says, "and they'll vehemently deny it"

Morgiest says, "Um. The guild by definition is a "marchin society" Sallyforth."

Drizzsdt says, "so it ends up your word against theirs"

Jacinto says, "Some of the staff are Rogues."

Jacinto grins at Drizzsdt.

Drizzsdt says, "and the Gms say we'll have to watch"

Jacinto says, "They could be "watched""

Lenonius asks, "Why don't we just build a brig in the basement of the guild?"

Jacinto raises his hand.

Drizzsdt says, "but once a person knows that he's in trouble cause he's been brought up. he aint gonna go abusing skills right away"

Drizzsdt says, "so it's hard to get proof"

Jacinto says, "Make it secret."

Jacinto nods to Drizzsdt.

Drizzsdt says, "that's where it lies now"

Jacinto says, "I've an actual question for Stealth."

Stealth nods to Jacinto.

Varsus says, "I just don't see why it needs to be changed. As is, guild abuse isn't aloud..."

Jacinto says, "I know the Guild is traditionally the territory of the Guild."

Sallyforth nods to Varsus.

Jacinto asks, "But is there any possibility our pugilism ring could be open to others for a fee?"

Jacinto says, "It'd earn the guild coin, so to speak."

Drizzsdt says, "it also isn't dealth with"

Stealth says, "I can look into it"

Drizzsdt says, "folks do it every day Varsus"

Jacinto says, "And....remove silver from the economy."

Drizzsdt says, "and dont get kicked out"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Stealth grins.

Varsus says, "Well, then it sounds like they didn't get reported"

Drizzsdt chuckles.

Drizzsdt asks, "did you listen at all Varsus?"

Drizzsdt shakes his head.

Varsus says, "I personally have seen 3 people removed from the guild"

Varsus chuckles.

Varsus shrugs.

Jacinto says, "I think...Drizzdst....that we see people who abuse skillls..."removed""

Varsus says, "It all comes down to what people think is abuse."

Jacinto says, "Completely"

Jacinto says, "Which may mask the number who vanish."

Morgiest says, "I have reported at least six different people for abusin different things in the guild. And nothin happened to a single one of them. So the system as it is now. Is most certainly not workin in my mind."

Jacinto says, "I've reported three."

Jacinto says, "Two are gone."

Varsus says, "welps, yas musta talked to the wrong people"

Varsus says, "heh"

Drizzsdt nods to Morgiest.

Drizzsdt says, "no yours must have been terribly abusive"

Morgiest asks, "How can you talk to the wrong people when you "report"?"

Morgiest shrugs.

Drizzsdt says, "and just continued"

Drizzsdt says, "we're talking about zero tolerance"

Morgiest says, "Aye."

Drizzsdt says, "i am so sick of seeing people cuss out Klidel"

Yviara says, "Quite true, a warrior killed a young lass with guild skills a few days ago and got a light wrist slapped. Nuthing is done now days"

Varsus says, "erm, alot of GM's can't handle guild removal"

Jacinto says, "That's the issue."

Jacinto nods to Varsus.

Morgiest says, "I must say, I would definatly like to see our ship tightened up so to say. How to impliment that is the hard part though."

Sallyforth says, "so then Klidel can deal with that, .. let Bubba toss out the cussers"

Sallyforth shrugs.

Varsus says, "how is Zero Tolerance viable? its a skill, you can use it as you want as long as you arn't using it on someone against there wishes.."

Sallyforth says, "ye don't need a police squad"

Stealth says, "what I can see is this"

Drizzsdt asks, ""how's bubba gonna hear it?"

Sallyforth says, "ye know what I mean"

Drizzsdt says, "the point is we dont have anything now and we need something"

Yviara says, "Zero tolerance is never a way to go."

Stealth says, "we have someone who is causing trouble in the guild"

Sallyforth says, "let the guild have it's own squad of dwarven enforcers"

Stealth says, "for whatever reason"

Stealth says, "this is brought up to the council"

Stealth says, "they decide on the issue"

Stealth says, "they confer with me"

Stealth says, "then I take action on it"

Varsus nods.

Varsus says, "that sounds fair."

Drizzsdt asks, "but what proof do you have at a later date?"

Drizzsdt peers quizzically at Stealth.

Morgiest says, "That sounds reasonable to me."

Jacinto says, "As long as the council is voted in."

Morgiest says, "Also. Lord Stealth. If I may..."

Sallyforth asks, "so you are judge and jury too?"

Drizzsdt says, "that's where the trouble comes in"

Jacinto says, "Stealth can make others spy."

Drizzsdt says, "right but once it's brought up to the council"

Drizzsdt says, "i would think all warriors would know"

Stealth says, "I have ways of checking"

Drizzsdt says, "and the fella will know they are watching him"

Jacinto says, "Thas why I suggested secrecy."

Drizzsdt nods to Stealth.

Morgiest raises his hand.

Nefoo says, "what about out of the guild abuse, where most abuse occures"

Drizzsdt says, "i'm definately not for secret meetings or matters. this is a family"

Lellaina says, "Have fun, fellow warriors"

Jacinto says, "The guild could employ watchers."

Lenonius raises his hand.

Drizzsdt says, "Jacinto abuse happens in every area of every land"

Jacinto nods to Drizzsdt.

Sallyforth says, "thank you Stealth, good luck, your plans are great and ambitious, i hope you see them all flower for you"

Jacinto says, "Warriors are everywhere."

Sallyforth just hugged Megaladon.

Sallyforth waves.

Aracan asks, "What abuse in particular are we speaking of?"

Drizzsdt says, "abuse at any spot is abuse"

Aracan asks, "Abuse toward the Guild Masters on the complex?"

Drizzsdt says, "no matter if the person did it only once"

Morgiest grins at Stealth.

Jacinto says, "He's talking about murder....and cries...and disarming....and tacklin."

Varsus nods to Nefoo.

Yviara says, "Abuse against others, tackling and injuring people can kill"

Aracan says, "Breaking the oath and using skills as a mercenary."

Jacinto shrugs.

Drizzsdt says, "and abuse of the guild faculty I guess you could call them"

Jacinto says, "I think we should work on improvin the profession first."

Aracan says, "I agree that something like that should be punished by removal, but I disagree that we need secret watchers."

Jacinto says, "Before the poor man gets hauled into politics."

Jacinto points at Stealth.

Dragoncall says, "too late"

Dragoncall raises his hand.

Aracan says, "True enough, I suppose the guild wasn't at the heart of this meeting."

Stealth says, "I can see some appropriate punishments for different things"

Stealth says, "banning from the guild grounds for a period of time"

Jacinto says, "Making our time more interesting and fun is."

Stealth says, "so you insult Klidel"

Stealth says, "you get banned from the landing guild for a week"

Aracan exclaims, "I say you just make Klidel cut you to bits!"

Stealth says, "keep it up and you get demoted in ranks"

Dragoncall grins.

Aracan exclaims, "An automatic Huntress kind of thing!"

Drizzsdt nods to Stealth.

Drizzsdt says, "now you're talking "

Stealth says, "go further and you get banned from the guild for a period of time"

Stealth says, "keep going and you get booted from the guild for good"

Drizzsdt says, "she deserves our utmost respect, cause I know we dont pay her enough"

Morgiest asks, "Lord Stealth, at one time, Lord Kuromaku, held "trials" for warriors who broke the warrior oath. Is this somehow goin to be similar to that? Are you aware of these trials that occured?"

Aracan says, "That sounds entirely sensible."

Stealth says, "yup...I agreed with 99% of what Kuromaku wanted"

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "I intend to further it with modifications that time has caused or my personal views."

Morgiest says, "Grand, I served on the trial of Rollocks. Jes thought it was great RP too."

Morgiest shrugs.

Stealth nods.

Morgiest says, "Oh."

Morgiest says, "One other thing if I may."

Morgiest says, "Someone here, and i wish I could recall who so i could give proper credit."

Morgiest says, "Suggested that these "coucil" positions, be rotating.... IE. folks only serve fer three months, or six months, or whatever, then have to step down for least one term er whatever. I would like to second that idea should a council indeed be formed."

Drizzsdt nods to Morgiest.

Drizzsdt says, "definately"

Drizzsdt says, "and at different times they come on. so none are together the full term"

Drizzsdt says, "great ideas"

Morgiest says, "Aye. Mayhap have it a six month term, with one person gittin replaced evey month, and six council members total."

Morgiest shrugs.

Drizzsdt nods to Morgiest.

Stealth says, "Well what I was thinking of something like this"

Stealth says, "and this is strictly a suggestions"

Morgiest says, "I do like the idea of a council though. I too git tired a seein folks abuse our skill masters, or Klidel, and feelin absolutely powerless to do anythin bout it."

Stealth says, "each guild has its own local guild council with a "guildleader".."

Drizzsdt says, "Even better idea"

Drizzsdt nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "each guildleader makes up a spot on the guild council"

Stealth says, "plus several spots atlarge"

Stealth says, "the local guild could handle minor matters"

Stealth says, "local affairs"

Fireaxis asks, "If I understand this right, the guild leader would be relatively old, right?"

Stealth says, "larger problems and decisions would be discussed at the upper level"

Stealth nods to Talisker.

Stealth says, "I don't think old is the only criteria"

Jacinto says, "Has to command respect."

Fireaxis asks, "And if that's the case, what about places like Logoth and Vaalor?"

Stealth says, "I would require a certain training level though."

Morgiest says, "Aye. We already talked bout that. Could be jes bout any guildmaster."

Morgiest shrugs.

Jacinto says, "They're developin communities."

Stealth says, "but it would also be dependent on the time they have to commit to this"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "plus their reputation to be honest"

Stealth says, "these will be peer relationships"

Jacinto nods.

Stealth says, "I don't think a guildleader would do a very good job if his members did not respect him."

Jacinto says, "Precisely."

Varsus says, "Personally I think anyone of age to be in the guild should have equal chance as everyone else"

Varsus shrugs.

Stealth holds up his hand and tilts it side to side in a so-so gesture.

Stealth says, "in some ways yes Varsus and some no"

Jacinto says, "I'm young...and even though it's to my benefit."

Jacinto says, "Err"

Jacinto says, "Not"

Jacinto says, "Not to my benefit that is"

Jacinto says, "I think they should be at least masters"

Varsus says, "true"

Varsus nods to Jacinto.

Jacinto says, "But every member of the guild should get some say."

Stealth says, "or even guildmasters"

Stealth nods to Jacinto.

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

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Fireaxis asks, "What's thge youngest age you can be a master?"

Varsus says, "Ok, let me change my oppinion to, anyone who has mastered"

Morgiest says, "35"

Varsus nods.

Jacinto says, "Twenty three trainings."

Stealth nods to Varsus.

Drizzsdt says, "23"

Jacinto says, "For skilled master"

Jacinto says, "Thirty six for guildmaster."

Jacinto says, "If I'm correct..."

Morgiest says, "Aye, actually ye are. My mistake"

Morgiest nods to Jacinto.

Jacinto says, "I'm mainly just excited."

Stealth says, "but these are just some ideas and I would like more discussion on them before we make decisions"

Fireaxis asks, "Then how are places like Vaalor and Logoth going to get one of these local guild masters?"

Jacinto says, "Done my penance...glad to be a warrior again."

Fireaxis says, "If I'm understand this right."

Jacinto asks, "Once they get the population?"

Jacinto says, "I think Vaalor has enough."

Morgiest asks, "Until they have a guild, why would they need a master?"

Jacinto says, "I dunno about Logoth"

Fireaxis says, "Naw, they';ve got the population."

Aracan says, "I'd say Vaalor has enough."

Stealth says, "there will be guildleaders at large"

Jacinto says, "And the guild."

Jacinto grins.

Jacinto says, "Call em Marshals."

Stealth says, "Perhaps elect one from that population"

Morgiest says, "Hrm, ahm perty large"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Morgiest is admiring himself again.

Stealth begins chuckling at Morgiest.

Morgiest whistles tunelessly to himself.

Fireaxis says, "I don't know if someone would stay in that area and not advance for half a year."

Morgiest says, "Need to drink less"

Fireaxis says, "Level wise."

Morgiest removes some black demon rum from in his white leather backpack.

Morgiest takes a drink from his black demon rum.

Morgiest's eyes glaze over slightly and his face pales.

Morgiest is stunned!

Jacinto says, "Well then."

Jacinto grins at Fireaxis.

Stealth nods to Talisker.

Jacinto says, "I bet Kahrla would...to give a Vaalor example."

Jacinto shrugs.

Stealth says, "if you remember in our real history there were towns that did not have a judge"

Drizzsdt says, "I would move up there"

Jacinto says, "I think this oughta be limited to major cities at first."

Drizzsdt says, "Megaladon prolly would too"

Stealth says, "but rather a single judge traveled around"

Drizzsdt says, "Exttior maybe"

Stealth says, "to various areas"

Morgiest says, "Sure. There are always least some folks for who the rp is worth mer then any amount of trainin"

Morgiest nods to Jacinto.

Jacinto says, "Frontier justice for the other places."

Megaladon grunts.

Drizzsdt chuckles.

Jacinto says, "Justice has a good sound...smackin people around involved."

Drizzsdt says, "ok megaladon don't like elvie cities"

Drizzsdt pokes Megaladon in the ribs.

Stealth says, "But I do want to take a look at the Oath and how it is enforced and how it should be enforced."

Megaladon says, "anywhere far away from Icemule and I start to get.."

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Talisker nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "I have come to change my opinion on the oath a bit."

Drizzsdt asks, "As?"

Morgiest says, "Well. They do keep addin defenses to Klidel, and Bert. Least they have in the past"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Morgiest asks, "Maybe she could just be made to kill folks that swear at her?"

Morgiest shrugs.

Stealth says, "at one time I thought using our skills in our defense was right"

Jacinto says, "Well...hopefully with these....."

Stealth says, "and I still agree with that...in defense"

Jacinto says, "We'll potentially have a way to knock others into a stance we can hit them in."

Stealth says, "but I also agree the skills should not be abused"

Jacinto says, "Or swing through spells."

Stealth says, "and I see some things these days I do consider abuse"

Drizzsdt asks, "life and death only right?"

Morgiest says, "We already do Jacinto. A warcry brings folks offensive already"

Lajala says, "I wanted to say something else, but I kinda went bye bye and just now getting back..."

Jacinto says, "Without abusing guild skills"

Jacinto nods to Morgiest.

Stealth says, "Well I don't personally think our skills should ever be used in frivolous duels"

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Jacinto asks, "So....we should swing only, duel wise?"

Drizzsdt nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "I don't think our skills should be used to lead to the death of another."

Jacinto says, "The unfortunate part of that...is...we always die..."

Stealth says, "At the worst..."

Stealth says, "tackle them"

Morgiest says, "Hopefully Most of that problem for these lands will be fixed if/when they bring the GS in flames online, or whatever its gonna be called And the duelers all move there."

Morgiest shrugs.

Stealth says, "and walk away"

Varsus says, "But might I add that so far Dueling has been tolerated and with the current rules guild skills in duels isn't abuse..."

Stealth says, "or tackle them and take off their arm"

Talisker grins at Stealth.

Jacinto says, "Partially why I suggested that pugilism ring bein moved."

Stealth says, "what I will not tolerate is stealing weapons with disarm"

Morgiest says, "I have found that disarmin folks, and pickin up thier weapon, is a good way to git thier attention."

Morgiest grins at Stealth.

Fireaxis nods to Stealth.

Fireaxis just gave a jet black rolaren longsword edged with rhimar and pommeled with an ultramarine glimaerstone a smooch.

Varsus says, "Id say... pull out yer other weapon and kill em"

Varsus ducks his head.

Stealth says, "you better have a really really really good reason to take someone's weapon"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Morgiest says, "Doesnt ever require a death"

Stealth says, "and by you I mean YOU personally"

Morgiest says, "Well. Its always given back of course."

Stealth says, "I hate seeing a warrior disarm someone else over something they did to someone else"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Morgiest says, "Now that, I would never do."

Stealth says, "its been done"

Stealth grins.

Morgiest says, "I dont believe in gittin inloved in other folks troubles."

Jacinto asks, "What outlet do you favor....for the more hotblooded members of the profession to release aggression then?"

Morgiest asks, "You mean duelers?"

Drizzsdt says, "self-mutilation"

Drizzsdt nods to Jacinto.

Jacinto says, "There are those that want to go toe to toe with the wagglers..and such."

Stealth says, "but I want to get further clarification on these issues before I pass along some rules and conditions"

Varsus says, "I think the brawling ring is real nice, but I also think it should be vamped so there can be more than two people in at once..."

Varsus chuckles.

Lajala says, "I jus wanna say real quick that lot's of people are asking for lot's of skills, I just wanna say that I think 3 useful skills is better than 300 skills as useful as feint..."

Jacinto says, "Some folks like to fight casters, too."

Morgiest says, "Lets em go to the GS in flames place openin in a new spidey place near you soon."

Morgiest coughs.

Jacinto says, "I suggested 2 useful skills per warrior...a spread of a lot of choices."

Jacinto nods to Lajala.

Drizzsdt says, "then you're in the wrong lands Jacinto"

Stealth says, "Feint is on my list to look at and fix if needed"

Jacinto says, "Not me."

Stealth nods to Lajala.

Jacinto says, "I'm speakin for others."

Jacinto nods to Drizzsdt.

Drizzsdt nods to Jacinto.

Stealth says, "I will be looking at ALL the current skills"

Stealth says, "and updating as needed"

Lajala says, "I'd really like to know what you're doing with berserk"

Stealth says, "Berserk will definitely be tweaked"

Morgiest says, "Yes, feint definatly needs to be looked at."

Jacinto says, "Tackle's perfect...Warcries need a touch of help."

Megaladon asks, "Are you working on the rogue list too Stealth or just warriors?"

Jacinto says, "Disarm's good, cept barehanded."

Stealth says, "I was basically ordered to do that"

Jacinto says, "Berserk...."

Jacinto shudders.

Stealth says, "Stealth you will fix berserk...let it be so."

Stealth nods.

Lajala says, "mstrike and berserk, I think, go hand in hand"

Stealth snaps smartly to attention!

Jacinto says, "I like a more adrenaline style berserk."

Stealth says, "I will primarily be doing warrior skills Megaladon"

Lajala says, "I'd love to just go crazy and tackle and disarm and smack and mstrike and war cry (even if I'm no good at it)"

Varsus says, "I think the problem with berzerk is it isn't realistic, if I was mad, and raged, Id use all the skills I had to take down the enemy"

Varsus chuckles.

Stealth says, "and combined skills"

Lajala nods to Varsus.

Jacinto says, "That's why I like the notion of a kick of adrenaline."

Stealth says, "I will be honest with ya...the rogue guru is a better coder than I am."

Stealth chuckles.

Stealth says, "so he gets to do some of it also"

Morgiest babbles something unintelligible.

>Morgiest exclaims, "A rogue smoozin with fiters!"

Jacinto asks, "Then can I send this person my more roguey ideas?"

Morgiest splutters.

Stealth says, "you can send them to me"

Jacinto says, "I came up with some viscious thrown tricks..."

Stealth says, "or Talisker"

Megaladon says, "i hope we can get stuff aprroved, i think the higher-ups are all of wizardly decent.."

Lajala asks, "is there any chance of you getting rid of the repeditive guild work?"

Stealth says, "and I will pass them along"

Jacinto says, "That a warrior would never use and be honorable."

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Varsus grins at Jacinto.

Morgiest asks, "Eh?"

Jacinto says, "Already asked."

Stealth says, "I don't know Lajala."

Jacinto says, "He said no"

Jacinto grins at Lajala.

Morgiest asks, "Repetative guild work?"

Lajala says, "I mean honestly, pruning a bush doesn't teach me to war cry...unless you count the loud scream of agony I make when I hear the words"

Jacinto says, "That one's to piss yah off."

Varsus says, "I would like to see something that is Fu style, that is one of the big reasons I joined voln.. bein a brawler. It gives you a whole new line of attack"

Varsus chuckles.

Jacinto says, "They took what some warriors detested most."

Drizzsdt says, "that repetitive guild work teaches you discipline"

Lajala says, "war cry dont need it"

Jacinto says, "Stealth said that that wasn't his game."

Stealth says, "Well when I got this job..Warden gave me the strong impression he wants this done and if the skills are reasonable they will be approved"

Lajala says, "good to hear"

Jacinto asks, "Anyone got reasonable two handed suggestions?"

Morgiest says, "I would actually like to see brawlin made where ye dont have to be in Voln to get some form of hand to hand combat."

Jacinto says, "I'm trying to find non unbalancing ideas."

Fireaxis says, "Not warrior-related."

Morgiest says, "And I'm in Voln."

Morgiest smirks.

Stealth says, "I have already asked about some ideas I was SURE would be shot down."

Jacinto says, "Just warrior related brawling is his."

Stealth says, "and he said sure...sounds good."

Jacinto says, "Manly ugh style stuff."

Jacinto says, "Like big beefy uppercuts."

Stealth says, "so keep your hopes up"

Stealth says, "ok unarmed stuff"

Stealth says, "I do have ideas for unarmed maneuvers"

Lajala says, "hey as long as shield bash is in I'll be happy, I'm one the rare triplers"

Stealth says, "BUT"

Lajala chuckles.

Stealth says, "they will not be a style"

Aracan asks, "What about the two-blade folks?"

Stealth says, "or a complete set of skills"

Stealth says, "more like a couple maneuvers that use hand to hand"

Stealth says, "Headbutt"

Stealth says, "bear hug"

Morgiest asks, "Any hope that brawlin in general will be looked at? I mean, I know you wouldnt be the one to do anythin on that, but you, well, heard any rumors or whatever?"

Morgiest smiles at Stealth.

Stealth says, "stuff like that"

Stealth says, "Brawling is slated to be looked at but it is not my area nor do I know who has it or where it stands."

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Morgiest says, "Thanke."

Stealth says, "Two bladers"

Aracan exclaims, "My particular area of interest!"

Stealth says, "I had an idea for one two blade maneuver"

Jacinto asks, "An actually deadly feint?"

Stealth says, "lets say you wanted to do a "scissors strike" with both blades"

Morgiest asks, "You swing em both so fast ye cut yer own throat?"

Morgiest grins at Stealth.

Stealth says, "maybe something you might se a gladiator do if you get my drift"

Stealth grins.

Stealth says, "now I don't forsee it being an instant kill"

Stealth says, "but you swing both blades at someone"

Stealth says, "and you might get a limb"

Stealth says, "if you get lucky it might get a neck"

Stealth says, "I like the idea of a mass warcry"

Stealth says, "someting like a battle cry that would affect all the creatures in the room"

Drizzsdt says, "perhaps you can look into the attack boosting warcries becoming effective with more ranks but move them to one warcry....opening up room for others"

Stealth says, "I have that in mind"

Stealth nods to Drizzsdt.

Morgiest says, "I suggested just that over the boards Drizz."

Stealth says, "let me see if I can get it approved and such"

Stealth says, "but I think its a good idea"

Morgiest says, "And freein up to "slots" for new cries..."

Drizzsdt says, "cause since they aren't combinable. I dont think many folks use the lessers ones once they get the larger ones"

Stealth says, "I do not see the ability to make a critter lose a prepped spell happening"

Stealth says, "well I can count the number of times I have used yowlp and holler on 2 hands"

Stealth says, "I use shout or I don't use it"

Stealth says, "So guildwise let me recap a bit"

Stealth says, "hold it down a moment if you can"

Stealth says, "tackle...no real changes"

Stealth says, "disarm...barehanded possiblities"

Stealth says, "plus a surprise"

Stealth grins.

Stealth says, "Warcry...consolidate the offensive cries and improve them"

Morgiest asks, "By offensive ye meand the As boostin ones?"

Stealth nods.

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "possibly add in a mass cry as the last cry"

Stealth says, "durations"

Stealth says, "ok ok hold it down"

Stealth says, "lemme finish then you can go back to gabbin"

Stealth chuckles.

Stealth says, "Bash...ways to measure the box size...experience points"

Lazey says, "nice elf head stealth"

Stealth grins.

Stealth says, "Tricks...check out feint and see if it is working right."

Stealth says, "Sheathmaking...add in new gems and such"

Morgiest asks, "And you wonder why he shot down the tackle change to be more friendly to elfs earlier?"

Morgiest grins.

Morgiest whistles tunelessly to himself.

Stealth says, "see if I can do a targetted sheathing ability"

Stealth says, "for wtrick tsheath for example"

Stealth says, "Perhaps see about a real use for wtrick sattack"

Khadzim removes some Elf's blood from in his dwarven war satchel.

Khadzim offers Stealth some Elf's blood.

Stealth nods to Khadzim.

Stealth accepts Khadzim's Elf's blood.

Stealth takes a drink from his Elf's blood.

Stealth says, "that hit the spot"

Stealth says, "Berserk"

Stealth says, "here is the big one"

Stealth says, "now these are not approved so don't go gettin all happy yet"

Stealth says, "I want to see about making it possible to berserk after being webbed bound etc"

Stealth says, "I want to look at the overall effectiveness of berserk"

Stealth says, "time between swings"

Stealth says, "AS boost"

Stealth says, "and the big one which I am not even sure I can do"

Stealth says, "berserking past death"

Varsus asks, "how about a temp increse in blood?"

Stealth says, "you berserk til your berserk runs out"

Stealth says, "then you die"

Stealth says, "now I am not even sure that is doable or approvable"

Khadzim asks, "Would dat depend on how ye'd die?"

Stealth nods to Khadzim.

Stealth says, "a crit would kill you"

Stealth says, "blood loss would not"

Lajala says, "just make a sort of copy to that wizard spell that "sort of" gives you HP's"

Stealth says, "its a bit more complicated than that but let me look at it"

Stealth asks, "Anyone think of anything I missed as it pertains to guild skills?"

Morgiest asks, "Feint?"

Stealth says, "I said that"

Stealth says, "I don't like us spitting on other people"

Stealth shakes his head.

Morgiest says, "I hope he replaces that damnable spit trick"

Brinn says, "Well, spitting is not something only a warrior should know how to do at any rate."

Stealth nods to Brinn.

Stealth says, "I would like to perhaps look into different messaging for attacks"

Lajala asks, "normal attacks?"

Stealth says, "aye just normal attacks"

Stealth says, "it would be pure fulff but it would be a variation"

Stealth says, "I would love for you folks to post more ideas on the boards for maneuvers"

Stealth says, "the more you have the more ideas I have to work with"

Lajala asks, "is it up to you if we get any sort of bonuses to repairing weapons and such?"

Stealth says, "no"

Stealth says, "that would be up to Ophion and the people on repair and breakage"

Stealth says, "I think warriors as a class are pretty well set now."

Stealth says, "not the worst"

Stealth says, "I do think there is room for improvement"

Stealth peers quizzically at Lajala.

Stealth asks, "whatcha mean?"

Lajala says, "well right now, if you see it's very heavily weighted, you KNOW it is"

Stealth nods.

Lajala says, "but if you dont see that, do you know that it isn't? no...you might have missed it...even after 6 tries"

Lajala says, "just something that after 10 tries, or even 1 if you're VERY lucky, tells you "no moron it isnt padded give up already""

Stealth says, "I think its pretty good now honestly"

Stealth says, "I want there to be some uncertainty"

Stealth grins.

Lajala says, "I've never recieved anything less that what it is..."

Stealth says, "Psycat also suggested a change to wtrick appraise"

Morgiest says, "Increasin the range of it."

Stealth says, "Alrighty folks I think I am going to wrap this up"

Stealth says, "well I would ask you all to please compile your ideas and drop me a note with them"

Morgiest asks, "So how bout the ideas on things like a box at the fountain in the guild, that has trainin weapons in it like ye find at the masters? And fer that matter, trainin plate?"

Stealth says, "or send them to Talisker"

Morgiest asks, "Any comment on them ideas Stealth?"

Stealth says, "training plate you will have to buy"

Stealth grins.

Morgiest asks, "Why? Cant our rich guild afford to buy some trainin plate fer its members?"

Drizzsdt says, "nope"

Drizzsdt says, "and it shouldn't"

Drizzsdt says, "cause folks will hock it"

Morgiest says, "No. "

Drizzsdt says, "you see stuff at pawnshop all teh time now"

Morgiest says, "I mean make it like the rattan weapons..."

Morgiest says, "So folks cant hock it."

Stealth says, "ok folks I am going to leave the tent open for you to keep talking...but I am heading in."

Stealth says, "you folks have a good night"

Stealth suddenly fades out of sight.

Talisker suddenly fades out of sight.

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