Recorded by Morgiest Frostgiant, Lord Paladin of Daingneach Onoir 6-15-02





You see GameMaster Talisker MacSkye.

He appears to be a Giantman.

He appears to be in his 70's, has short, braided dark brown hair, grey eyes, and tanned skin.

He is in good shape.

He is wearing a wooden shield, a pair of cracked copper spectacles, a massive bearskin mantle fastened over the shoulder with a rune-etched minotaur horn, a battered leather weapons harness, a blue and heather tartan feileadh mor, a blue and heather tartan tam, a mottled centaur hide satchel, a sleeveless front-laced homespun shirt, a roa'ter skin baldric, a braided horse-hair necklace, a stamped metal saramar symbol, some laced brown leather cuarans, and a shimmering glaesine orb.

[Fitheach Keep, Armory]

Roughly half of this spacious room is devoted to a training floor with low benches scattered around its perimeter. Racks of assorted weapons are arrayed along the eastern wall, while armor of various types can be found in racks along the opposite wall. A peat fireplace at the northern end of the room is bracketed by tables bearing refreshments for combatants and observers alike. You also see the Frugus disk, the Thakirin disk, the Kalanor disk, a snack table with some stuff on it and a refreshment cart with some stuff on it.

Also in the room: Megaladon, Frugus, GameMaster Talisker, Lord Lucksdragon who is seated, Densho who is seated, Lord Thakirin who is seated, Lohlem who is seated, Kalanor, Furrowfoot, Jacinto, Lord Warem, Morgiest

Obvious exits: none.

Talisker says, "First, I'd like to welcome you all to my first Focus Group meeting."

A shaft of scintillating light suddenly pierces the ceiling and strikes the ground next to you. The beam of light then explodes in a shower of sparks and Stealth is standing in its place.

Talisker says, "Many of you were selected because you've already been helpful in submitting suggestions."

Talisker says, "Evening, Stealth."

Talisker grins.

You see GameMaster Stealth Moonhunter.

He appears to be a Giantman.

He appears to be in his 140's, has short, straight black hair, green eyes, and dark skin.

He has minor bruises on his neck.

He is wearing a huge oversized backpack, a shadowy spidersilk rucksack, a golvern shield, a glaesine crystal amulet, a severed elf head, a snake-etched ora flagon, a weathered old tome, and some dark clothing.

Stealth says, "greetings all...I am mostly watching tonite as I am a bit distracted. I will try to answer questions but my time may be cut short."

Talisker nods to Stealth.

Talisker says, "As I was saying, some of you have already been very helpful with suggestions ..."

Talisker says, "And we're hoping to perhaps flesh out some of those suggestions."

Talisker says, "For those of you who volunteered to come at the last minute, we'd love to hear your thoughts as well."

Talisker asks, "First off, how many non-warriors have we got here?"

Lohlem smiles knowingly.

Megaladon points at Lohlem.

Frugus says, "only one"

Talisker grins.

Talisker says, "He may be a wizard, but he seems to know a lot about warrioring."

Talisker chuckles.

Megaladon nods to Talisker.

Kalanor asks, "So the primary focus of this is the manuevers...not really guild skill changes?"

Talisker says, "Actually, the focus is to decide what primary concerns you have."

Talisker says, "You've seen changes to Feint ..."

Lohlem asks, "Are we to discuss the how's of the impeding MA lists then?"

Talisker asks, "What are your thoughts on it?"

Megaladon says, "feint works nice now"

Jacinto says, "I think you guys both know very well whatg we feel about berserking and disarm....."

Jacinto says, "Fix berserk and disarm to similar standards"

Jacinto says, "Life is good"

Jacinto says, "Guild wise"

Talisker nods.

Jacinto says, "Maneuver wise....."

Talisker says, "Okay, even though this is a small group, I'm going to ask you a favor .."

Talisker asks, "Can you please raise your hands so I can point to you and you can talk?"

Lohlem raises his wooden stick skyward!

Talisker says, "That way we don't all talk over each ohter."

Jacinto raises his keg of amber lager in a toast!

Talisker asks, "Lohlem?"

Lohlem says, "Oh, was just showin' everyone the Kuldir stick."

Lohlem glances at a wooden stick.

Talisker chuckles.

Lohlem says, "Sorry."

Talisker asks, "Okay, who has a question or comment?"

Talisker says, "Not sure how long we'll have Stealth, so if you have anything for him, best get it out now."

Warem raises his hand.

Talisker nods to Warem.

Jacinto raises his hand.

Talisker says, "Go ahead, Warem"

Warem asks, "what does Stealth deal with?"

Stealth asks, "expand on that?"

Stealth grins.

Talisker grins.

Warem says, "I mean, where does he focus, not sure If i have anything to tell him."

Stealth says, "I do alot of stuff....my primary job is warrior guru. My other jobs are mechanics related and creatures."

Warem nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "for example"

Stealth says, "the NCU stuff"

Stealth says, "is my current project"

Kalanor asks, "NCU?"

Stealth says, "non corporeal undead crit messaging"

Talisker grins.

Stealth says, "for example"

Stealth points at a ghostly pooka.

Megaladon asks, "for all the different crit ranks and weapon types?"

Stealth picks up a falchion.

Morgiest says, "just make sure all crits to non warriors are always rank nine."

Stealth raises a hand while murmuring a soft orison...

Stealth gestures at a falchion.

The magic fizzles ineffectually.

Jacinto grins.

Talisker says, "Oops"

Stealth just tickled Talisker.

Talisker says, "Okay, try now"

Stealth raises a hand while murmuring a soft orison...

Stealth gestures at a falchion.

The magic fizzles ineffectually.

Talisker blinks.

Furrowfoot says, "pass here"

Furrowfoot removes a short-hafted dark vultite handaxe from in his corded weapons sling.

Furrowfoot offers Stealth a short-hafted dark vultite handaxe.

Stealth says, "be right back"

Furrowfoot says, "actually, dat's blessed"

Stealth accepts Furrowfoot's dark vultite handaxe.

Talisker says, "Should work now, I think."

Stealth swings a short-hafted dark vultite handaxe at a ghostly pooka!

AS: +502 vs DS: +144 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +22 = +409

... and hits for 143 points of damage!

Stealth says, "see no messaging"

Stealth says, "so when I get done"

Stealth says, "it will give you a message"

Stealth offers Furrowfoot a short-hafted dark vultite handaxe.

Furrowfoot accepts Stealth's dark vultite handaxe.

Talisker grins.

Stealth says, "so back to warrior stuff"

Warem says, "alrighty"

Talisker says, "Jacinto, you were next."

Jacinto asks, "Well....on the questions for Stealth level......do you want us to figure out mechanics for triggering these? Or are they gonna be standard CM stuff?"

Jacinto says, "On the general statements...."

Stealth says, "not sure what Morgiest mean.."

Jacinto says, "I think we should have a large number of maneuvers tied to single skills"

Jacinto asks, "Do you want us to come up with ideas for how to execute the maneuvers?"

Stealth says, "right now you wilkl have access to many skills"

Stealth says, "but"

Stealth says, "you will only be able to learn a couple"

Jacinto nods.

Stealth says, "the skills will be free so to speak"

Stealth says, "no CM involvement"

Jacinto says, "Just wondered if you wanted to figure out mechanics for our ideas"

Jacinto says, "For instance"

Stealth says, "character manager that is"

Jacinto says, "I have a skill for combat rolls idea I came up with."

Stealth says, "the more background you provide the faster and more sense it makes to me"

Jacinto says, "And a skill for throwing an unaimed handful of thrown weapons"

Stealth says, "so I won't promise to use your mechanics...but I might"

Jacinto says, "Okay"

Jacinto says, "That was my question"

Jacinto grins at Stealth.

Jacinto says, "As far as statments go"

Stealth says, "what will probably happen is I use some or part or none of them after I fiddle with them"

Stealth grins.

Jacinto says, "I'd like the many skills to be tied in to specific skills that warriors have been trained in"

Stealth says, "even my stuff gets changed"

Talisker grins.

Jacinto says, "So specialists get a benefit...and people aren't worked over by being old"

Jacinto says, "And grey"

Stealth says, "some of the skills will be based on skills alot"

Jacinto says, "Or just huge"

Stealth says, "ie shield bash"

Jacinto grins at Megaladon.

Stealth says, "some might not"

Megaladon grins at Jacinto.

Stealth says, "if there is no applicable skill"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "I won't tie it to an arbitrary skill"

Morgiest says, "The default could of course be "combat maneuvers""

Stealth nods.

Jacinto says, "I like the idea of a trading based "Everybody MOOOVE!" type skill"

Jacinto grins.

Jacinto says, "Other than that....move on to the other hands"

Jacinto grins.

Jacinto says, "I can toss in thoughts later"

Talisker says, "Kalanor is next"

Jacinto says, "Just wanted to ask Stealth that mechanics thing early"

Talisker grins at Jacinto.

Talisker nods.

Jacinto grins at Stealth.

Kalanor says, "Ok...I am wondering what is being looked at by Stealth for guild skill changes and if anything is solid at this point..."

Kalanor says, "Particularly warcries disarm and berserk"

Stealth says, "all of those will be worked on"

Stealth says, "disarm only a tiny bit"

Stealth says, "warcries more work"

Stealth says, "berserk will be almost a total rewrite"

Jacinto says, "A very useful tiny bit"

Jacinto grins at Stealth.

Stealth says, "the idea will be the same"

Kalanor asks, "As far as manuevers...is it gonna be practiced learning or age based?"

Stealth says, "but I want to add alot to it"

Kalanor says, "like more guild skill ranks or more experience"

Stealth says, "it will probably be age or skill based instead of practiced"

Talisker says, "Morgiest, you're up."

Kalanor bows to Stealth.

Talisker says, "Must be a big question ..."

Morgiest says, "Actually, that was my question. Will there be any requirement to aquirin these skills besides just being a certain age? Will I one day just wake up and have these skills? Or be able to select "x"number of them? Or will they require some extra work like forgin, or guild skills etc."

Talisker glances at Morgiest

Talisker grins.

Stealth says, "they will not require extra training at this point"

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Morgiest says, "thank you."

Stealth says, "maybe a little bit of practice where you learn the skill"

Jacinto says, "For myself....I'd like everybody to get the chance to learn a couple around title...."

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "ie you go and find the NPC who teaches shield bash"

Jacinto says, "Then.....do some sort of maintenance action"

Stealth says, "and he shows you shieldbash"

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "after that Morgiest would likely not interact with him again"

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Talisker says, "Furrowfoot, you're next."

Morgiest says, "Sounds good to me, although I might have put in my wish list something that well, forced us to seek out our brethren a bit more."

Morgiest shrugs.

Stealth says, "thats what the guild is for"

Furrowfoot says, "couple things... first I was wonderin if you could squash/confirm a rumor concerning tackle being downtweaked or something along those lines... popped up on the boards a day or two ago and that was the first I'd heard of it"

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "it will be"

Stealth says, "but no one in this room would see it"

Stealth says, "except him"

Stealth points at Megaladon.

Jacinto chuckles.

Furrowfoot nods.

Megaladon scratches his head.

Stealth says, "essentially the problem is this"

Stealth says, "warriors get a bonus based on age"

Stealth says, "and CM training"

Stealth says, "when you reach his training"

Stealth points at Megaladon.

Stealth says, "those bonuses make it impossible to miss"

Megaladon rubs his chin thoughtfully.

Jacinto says, "Ahh"

Megaladon says, "i dunno Stealth"

Megaladon says, "i had a tough time tacklin vaesps.."

Stealth says, "I said at Morgiestr age"

Megaladon says, "MAvA was just about gone"

Stealth says, "not at 125"

Megaladon says, "right but i didnt hunt the past 40 trains"

Megaladon whistles tunelessly to himself.

Frugus asks, "so only downtweak those warrior passed age cap?"

Megaladon asks, "is it that bad in the ruins?"

Stealth says, "watch this"

Jacinto says, "Age cap's not permanent"

Jacinto says, "Despite certain folks's desires"

Stealth points at a really big old monster.

Stealth says, "tackle that Mega"

A really big old monster stomps at Morgiest with its foot!

AS: +357 vs DS: +323 with AvD: +33 + d100 roll: +90 = +157

... and hits for 3 points of damage!

Hit glances off your hip.

Morgiest says, "try again big boy"

Megaladon starts chortling.

Megaladon rolls to the left, then springs to his feet, ready again for action!

Morgiest smirks.

Megaladon hurls himself at a really big old monster and connects!

MS: +677 - MD: +541 + MAvA: 0 + d100: +54 == +190

Success!

Megaladon knocks a really big old monster flat and quickly jumps to his feet!

Megaladon nods.

Kalanor says, "wow"

Stealth says, "so as you see that monster was same age as him"

Megaladon sits down.

Morgiest asks, "Was it in offensive? or defensive stance?"

Stealth says, "he has no chance other than a fumble of missing"

Megaladon asks, "what level was that monster?"

Stealth says, "XXX"

Thakirin says, "I feel so young"

Talisker chuckles.

Megaladon nods.

tealth says, "so that is what will be changing on tackle and disarm"

Jacinto says, "I see the point"

Furrowfoot says, "you's were assaulted by a XXXnd level monster"

Furrowfoot grins at Morgiest.

Jacinto says, "Feel buff, bigun"

Jacinto grins at Morgiest.

Morgiest says, "Yeah, it was nothin. piece a cake."

Morgiest waves a hand at Furrowfoot, dismissing him indifferently.

Morgiest flashes a wide grin.

Stealth says, "I doubt anyone under 100=125 will see much change"

Jacinto grins.

Stealth says, "thats another thing I want to kinda of expound on"

Stealth says, "the redux changes"

Megaladon asks, "why not just bump the monster mds up?"

Furrowfoot says, "other thing was regarding one of the maneuvers that I specifically talked about before... whether it's possible or has been discussed at all"

Stealth says, "most people will not see much change"

Furrowfoot says, "but I'll wait for this"

Stealth says, "if any"

Talisker grins.

Jacinto says, "So....."

Megaladon asks, "Stealth couldnt you adjust monster MDs?"

Jacinto asks, "Mainly going to affect the grossly overtrained?"

Jacinto asks, "Or wha?"

Stealth says, "I would much rather change one script"

Stealth says, "than several hundred"

Stealth says, "so no I am not changing the monster mds"

Thakirin asks, "So, at high age, the chance of failure will be more than a fumble, right?"

Morgiest asks, "So basically, the script will be... If your name begins megal, you get -100 to your ms right?"

Stealth says, "I think any skill should have some chance of failure"

Talisker starts chuckling at Morgiest!

Stealth says, "other than a failure"

Talisker nods to Stealth.

Megaladon starts chuckling at Morgiest!

Stealth says, "against a like leveled monster"

Stealth says, "but right now Mega is capable of taking on something way over his head with no failure"

Warem says, "assuming he can find them"

Megaladon says, "2x cm, 500 armor"

Stealth says, "there is that"

Stealth says, "so don't look at it as a real big downtweak"

Megaladon says, "i did max my tackle ms though stealth"

Megaladon says, "but i agree"

Megaladon says, "100% should not be the norm"

Stealth says, "ok back to the questions"

Talisker says, "Furrowfoot is finishing up..."

Talisker chuckles.

Furrowfoot asks, "one of my main things was concerning weapon specialization... ie... someone that uses only OHE could specialize in a specific type of OHE and recieve some sort of bonus when using that type of weapon... has it been discussed, is it mechanically possible, and is it realistically possible?"

Stealth says, "yes I think so and I think so"

Talisker chuckles.

Furrowfoot nods.

Furrowfoot says, "and concerning multi-weapon trained people"

Stealth says, "what I am looking at now"

Stealth says, "is 2 levels of specialization"

Stealth says, "actually 3"

Furrowfoot asks, "would they get one total, or one per weapon type they're fully double trained in?"

Stealth says, "the first is weapon training"

Stealth says, "OHE etc"

Furrowfoot removes an iron-handled vultite katar from in his corded weapons sling.

Furrowfoot begins to twitch.

Stealth says, "second would be specialization in one type of ohe"

Stealth says, "and lastly"

Stealth says, "weapon bonding....attuning to one particular weapon of the type you specialized in"

Furrowfoot drools.

Furrowfoot says, "and then it breaks"

Furrowfoot sobs.

Stealth says, "something like that WOULD require extra work"

Furrowfoot nods.

Stealth says, "the bonding process"

Morgiest asks, "Could you re-attune? if the weapon say gets broken?"

Stealth says, "and it would be changeable"

Stealth nods to you.

Talisker chuckles.

Talisker says, "Okay, Thakirin, you're next."

Jacinto says, "Which isn't necessarily bad."

Furrowfoot says, "only other question would be concerning multi-weapon skill weapons"

Furrowfoot says, "but that'll work itself out I'm sure"

Thakirin says, "I would like to know if it is being considered to change the weighting between ambush and CM with regards to hitting a specific location? After all, as a warrior, I buy ambush to aim and I never hide and attack, it would be nice to stop using so many points on a skill just so I can hit what I aim at."

Stealth says, "I doubt it"

Stealth says, "I think it is too easy to aim now"

Stealth grins.

Talisker chuckles.

Megaladon says, "warden recently updated the weapon aiming mods, they are alot bigger for 2handers and poles"

Megaladon says, "parry alot now"

Megaladon nods.

Stealth nods.

Thakirin says, "I disagree about the aiming, a weapon master should be able to hit anything anywhere"

Megaladon says, "even if you have alot of ambush and cm"

Megaladon says, "you still going to parry"

Talisker says, "Kalanor, you're up again."

Megaladon says, "least i do"

Megaladon whistles tunelessly to himself.

Kalanor blinks.

Kalanor says, "Ok..."

Kalanor says, "Im wondering on the time frame of all these projects...and any manuever abilities that ya feel have a real good shot of makin it...i know theres alot of ideas...and im just wondering if anything is top priority"

Kalanor says, "Oh and more details on how its implemented thru Character Manager..."

Kalanor says, "im confused"

Stealth says, "well the CM list is a long term project. I am currently revamping some of the guild skills while Warden Taelrand Talisker and I all get the plan down for what it is we are going to do."

Stealth says, "I anticipate that the disarm skill will be the next thing you see"

Stealth says, "changing it to being able to disarm barehanded"

Talisker grins.

Warem says, "Moveing on to the manuvers, will there be some sort of way for us to know what they are based on, and the effects, before we pick them. perhaps some get togeather where we can try them all out at out skill level..."

Stealth says, "for what its worth most of it is done in DEV already"

Kalanor asks, "Will you get a bonus to MS if ya do it barehanded?"

Stealth says, "I have to finish up the messaging for barehanded though"

Stealth says, "probably a penalty"

Stealth says, "and a chance of wounding yourself"

Talisker chuckles.

Kalanor says, "I guess its a last ditch effort then"

Stealth says, "and I am probably going to tie weapon skill to it"

Stealth says, "so you will get your full MS for a skill you are doubled in"

Stealth says, "but not for one less than doubled"

Warem says, "Moveing on to the manuvers, will there be some sort of way for us to know what they are based on, and the effects, before we pick them. perhaps some get togeather where we can try them all out at out skill level..."

Stealth says, "there won't be a bonus per se"

Stealth says, "but if you try to disarm with a weapon you are not doubled in"

Stealth says, "it would be a lesser chance"

Talisker says, "Sorry, Kalanor, I thought you were through. Warem is next."

Thakirin asks, "So it is your weapon you have to be doubled in, not the opponent?"

Stealth nods.

Talisker says, "Back to Warem's question..."

Talisker chuckles.

Stealth says, "I will make sure you know what Morgiest are getting into"

Stealth says, "its going to depend on if I release them all at once"

Stealth says, "or piecemeal"

Stealth says, "what I would like to do is allow some way to change them"

Stealth says, "but I am not sure that will fly or make sense"

Talisker says, "Jacinto's next."

Stealth says, "thats one of my current things I am debating is that issue"

Jacinto says, "As regarding changing skills"

Jacinto says, "We pick our two or three"

Jacinto says, "And come back occassionally for a non typing intensive session to practice them"

Jacinto says, "A refresher course as it were"

Jacinto says, "If we wish to switch"

Talisker begins chuckling at Warem.

Jacinto says, "We can be taught a lesser number of new ones"

Stealth says, "I would probably penalize you somewhat for changing"

Jacinto says, "My initial idea was two skills to start"

Jacinto says, "One skill if you pestered the old masters to switch, as it were"

Jacinto says, "Wasted time and such"

Jacinto says, "And to avoid the....."

Warem grins ear-to-ear.

Jacinto says, "I want roll now.....scissors strike for Teras"

Jacinto says, "Fend for the nations...."

Stealth says, "right"

Jacinto says, "Jump for the Rift...."

Jacinto says, "And so on"

Stealth says, "as I said it will take some thought"

Stealth says, "I want to release the skills as I do them"

Stealth says, "rather than make you wait"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Jacinto says, "To be frank....I've gotten some inspiration from the Exalted RPG"

Jacinto says, "There's a lot of almost special abilities tied to your skills there"

Stealth says, "so if you guys have any ideas along what might be a good ideas pass them along to Talisker via letter"

Jacinto says, "The ADnD Feat system is similar"

Talisker nods.

Stealth says, "I went and bought a few of the d20 books myself"

Stealth winks.

Talisker grins.

Jacinto says, "I think if we limit these in the way we're talkin on, currently....."

Jacinto says, "Welll"

Jacinto says, "We're not bad now....but we can be far far more varied"

Stealth says, "the problem is not ideas....I have more ideas than I can ever write"

Jacinto says, "And that excites me"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "so what I want to do is do the best ideas"

Jacinto asks, "Balance and doability and such?"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "distill them so to speak"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Megaladon asks, "is that something uppermanagement is forcing?"

Megaladon peers quizzically at Stealth.

Jacinto says, "That's all till I think of somethin more"

Stealth asks, "forcing how?"

Jacinto nods to Talisker.

Megaladon says, "or your desicion"

Talisker says, "Morgiest, you're up again."

Lohlem leans on Megaladon.

Lohlem pokes Talisker in the ribs.

Megaladon says, "limiting the number of them"

Lohlem raises his hand.

Morgiest says, "I have two questions, and maybe a follow-up."

Talisker grins.

Megaladon says, "my opinion is there a need for more than a few"

Stealth says, "the total number no...the number you can learn at once yes"

Morgiest says, "First."

Lohlem nods.

Megaladon nods to Stealth.

Megaladon says, "thats what i thought"

Stealth nods to you.

Thakirin raises his hand.

Morgiest asks, "Perhaps the retraining could be handled somewhat like the artisan skills? If you are familiar with how say forging works? You follow me there?"

Morgiest says, "Just an idea."

Stealth says, "perhaps"

Morgiest nods.

Jacinto says, "Please no....people'd script it"

Jacinto stands up.

Jacinto says, "And Lohlem would talk about oppression"

Jacinto chuckles.

Stealth says, "it would be very very bad if I caught you scripting"

Morgiest says, "Like i said, just an idea. i mean, the skill out of use goes down, if you learn an extra skill one other goes down."

Lohlem nods.

Morgiest shrugs.

Talisker begins chuckling at Furrowfoot.

Warem shudders.

Stealth says, "there is a reason I am DEV and not CE"

Jacinto grins at Stealth.

Stealth says, "I make Ophion look nice"

Morgiest says, "Second"

Jacinto chuckles.

Talisker grins at Stealth.

Morgiest says, "if you release the skills as you get them ready."

Morgiest asks, "Will we have a complete list of skills that will be implemented so we will know for sure if we want to wait for one? Assumin there will be no way to re-train?"

Jacinto says, "Oooh....good."

Talisker chuckles.

Stealth says, "probably not"

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "since I might add some later that come up"

Morgiest says, "Hokay. Jes thought I would ask."

Stealth says, "I would rather not commit to a list in case something does not work out"

Morgiest asks, "Did we ever get an answer on the time frame for this?"

Stealth says, "a while"

Morgiest nods to Talisker.

Morgiest says, "Thank you. All done"

Furrowfoot asks, "probably post HSN?"

Talisker says, "Lohlem, you're up."

Stealth says, "which is why I am choosing to revamp the existing guild skills"

Stealth says, "way past hsn"

Lohlem exclaims, "Ha!"

Stealth says, "next year probably at the soonest"

Stealth says, "part of that is that since we don't have a perfect plan"

Stealth says, "I am working on other stuff while we plan it"

Lohlem asks, "I'm still a bit confused on what exactly you will use for skills (shield bash: shield + CM? + other stuff)? and what about cost of skills?"

Stealth asks, "cost in what regards?"

Lohlem asks, "Also, will these attacks be a part of the AS system or hidden system (ala call wind, fire wave, etc)?"

Lohlem says, "Skill cost."

Stealth says, "expand on that"

Lohlem asks, "Will CM + shield skill = shield bash?"

Stealth says, "it will probably be part of it yes"

Stealth says, "maybe not CM"

Stealth says, "maybe so"

Lohlem says, "Just an example."

Stealth says, "I hesitate to make CM the catchall"

Lohlem says, "So, maybe a "wand defense" maneuver to better defend against wands might be MIU + CM, or whatever...."

Stealth says, "they will likely be hidden rolls"

Stealth nods to Lohlem.

Lohlem says, "Gotcha."

Stealth says, "you might see some of the roll like feint"

Stealth says, "but not all of it"

Stealth says, "a common thing with feint for example"

Stealth says, "you could roll a 200 and miss"

Stealth says, "you might roll a -10 and hit"

Jacinto asks, "For some of the defense ones.....could we have a roll to see how good a position we get into?"

Stealth says, "depends on what Morgiest are feinting"

Lohlem asks, "And it sounds like you want to keep some things level based instead of a 'true' skill based so the old folks don't get ran over?"

Stealth says, "the roll you see is the random roll"

Stealth says, "not the whole computation"

Stealth says, "almost all of these skills will be age based"

Lohlem frowns.

Megaladon says, "most maneuvers have to be somewhat age based Lohlem"

Lohlem says, "Hopefully, you'll evaluate that position again."

Stealth says, "I won't"

Stealth shrugs.

Megaladon says, "or people without skill later on would get killed"

Lohlem nods to Talisker.

Talisker asks, "Furrowfoot, did your question get answered?"

Furrowfoot says, "not really"

Talisker just nudged Jacinto.

Talisker chuckles.

Megaladon says, "like war griffon call wind would destroy anyone not trained in cm ect"

Talisker says, "Go ahead, Furrowfoot."

Thakirin seems a bit less imposing.

Stealth says, "hangon a sec"

Talisker nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "I wanted to finish on the age based so there is no problem understanding why I do it"

Stealth says, "age will factor into it to keep a level 10 warrior with a skill from uphunting 40 trains"

Stealth says, "or using it in cvc versus drastically older characters"

Lohlem asks, "Do you really foresee these skills as that great an equalizer?"

Stealth says, "yes"

Stealth says, "since warriors will only get a couple of the skills"

Thakirin drools.

Thakirin drools.

Thakirin drools.

Stealth says, "they will be very usefull"

Lohlem says, "I just want to be clear, if I'm 20th level and tripled shields - I don't want to be 'outdone' by a 30th level warrior who's singled."

Stealth says, "he might"

Stealth shrugs.

Stealth says, "he might not"

Lohlem says, "I'm all for the artificial level barrier to control hunting, but we're still skill based."

Stealth asks, "if I don't make them age based can I take away your CS based on your age?"

Stealth says, "TDs will of course remain the same"

Lohlem says, "Yes, my CS is the same 'relative' power it was at level zero. It's not level based at all."

Lohlem smiles knowingly.

Stealth says, "wrong"

Stealth says, "TDs would stay static"

Stealth shrugs.

Stealth asks, "you see my point?"

Lohlem says, "I understand putting in the "3x" as a level modifier."

Stealth says, "age does matter"

Stealth says, "and it will matter in the maneuvers"

Stealth says, "if it doesn't come in as a straight age based mod"

Stealth says, "it will come in as a training based age mod"

Lohlem says, "If I 3x CS because of age, but 3x TD because of age - that equals a no net change. That's acceptable."

Stealth says, "for example"

Stealth says, "comparing an attack between two people"

Stealth says, "would use a ratio of their CM skills"

Stealth says, "which would essentially be an age based system"

Lohlem says, "Oh! Okay, if you're using ratios I'm all for it."

Talisker grins.

Lohlem says, "It's not the same."

Lohlem pokes Stealth in the ribs.

Jacinto exclaims, "He agrees with something!"

Jacinto ducks his head.

Talisker chuckles.

Lohlem says, "I almost called you Warden."

Lohlem stares off into space.

Stealth says, "ok next question"

Stealth chuckles.

Talisker appears to be trying hard not to grin.

Lohlem says, "Thanks Stealth."

Talisker points at Furrowfoot.

Lohlem snaps his fingers.

Furrowfoot says, "ok, one stupid one, then one serious one"

Furrowfoot grins.

Talisker chuckles.

Talisker asks, "Do we get to guess which is which?"

Talisker grins.

Furrowfoot says, "first one is guild/tackle related"

Furrowfoot asks, "do the skilled masters take race into account concerning how well they defend at all?"

Furrowfoot says, "meaning Witt, Khalea, etc."

Stealth says, "I don't know"

Stealth says, "I don't think they should though"

Furrowfoot says, "cause they're a pain in the arse with that -20 MS"

Talisker chuckles.

Furrowfoot stares at Stealth.

Stealth chuckles.

Talisker grins.

Furrowfoot exclaims, "bah!"

Stealth says, "each race has their tradeoffs"

Furrowfoot nods.

Stealth says, "thats one of them"

Furrowfoot says, "not that it's undoable by any means"

Furrowfoot mutters 53ranks.

Stealth says, "when giants can ambush claidhs at 5 seconds.."

Stealth says, "I will consider making the racial defense based"

Furrowfoot says, "ok, other one was concerning limitations on skill usage... "

Stealth nods.

Furrowfoot says, "ie, will there be a limiting system such as fatigue, mana, etc"

Furrowfoot asks, "or will it be along the lines of tackle?"

Stealth says, "I don't know"

Furrowfoot nods.

Stealth says, "I like the idea of a fatigue system but the implementation might be time consuming"

Megaladon says, "if were only getting two skills i say a stamina system would not be really good"

Furrowfoot nods to Talisker.

Lohlem says, "Oh, there's the second part of my question."

Lohlem smiles at Furrowfoot.

Furrowfoot says, "I figured"

Furrowfoot nods to Lohlem.

Talisker says, "Thakirin, you're up."

Talisker grins.

Lohlem asks, "Stealth, before we wander off that. Is it possible to query your CO stats or ranks in shield for a fatigue system (for shield bash)?"

Thakirin asks, "Two questions, First, are these skills going to be limited to warriors, because as it stands, there is not one decent thing that distinguishes warriors as better than combat oriented rogues and Two, do you really belive that they will balance things that well?"

Lohlem says, "Just curious if its even possible."

Lohlem cowers.

Stealth says, "yes I could do that"

Stealth says, "but not sure I will"

Lohlem nods.

Stealth says, "these skills will be in three lists"

Megaladon nods to Thakirin.

Stealth says, "warrior"

Stealth says, "rogue"

Stealth says, "and combined"

Stealth says, "as a warrior you would have access to warrior and combined"

Jacinto says, "I see specializations in combined."

Jacinto grins.

Stealth says, "I actually argued for allowing rangers and bards access to the combined list"

Jacinto says, "Weapon that is"

Furrowfoot says, "bah"

Furrowfoot pokes Jacinto in the ribs.

Stealth says, "but was told no"

Furrowfoot whistles tunelessly to himself.

Morgiest says, "Good dun need no stinkin bards and rangers foulin up the mix"

Megaladon grins at Morgiest.

Densho grins at Morgiest.

Talisker starts chuckling at Morgiest!

Thakirin asks, "Do you really belive that the warrior only skills will balance things?"

Morgiest says, "Already got our pet wizard."

Stealth says, "well my arguement was that bards and rogues are indeed armsusers"

Mogiest squints at Lohlem.

Lohlem scowls.

Furrowfoot sighs.

Morgiest winks at Lohlem.

Furrowfoot asks, "I needta run it seems... is anyone keepin a record of this?"

Stealth says, "and should have access to some of the skills but not all or as many"

Morgiest nods to Furrowfoot.

Lohlem says, "I am."

Lohlem nods.

Morgiest says, "I am makin a log."

Stealth says, "I think so THakrin"

Stealth says, "Thakirin that is"

Morgiest says, "Will have it up within an hour or two. I will post the addy on the boards"

Talisker grins.

Furrowfoot stands up.

Stealth nods to Talisker.

Lohlem waves to Furrowfoot.

Talisker waves to Furrowfoot.

Furrowfoot says, "ok all.. has been fun but I gotta run, sorry"

Stealth waves to Furrowfoot.

Morgiest waves to Furrowfoot.

Furrowfoot blushes and babbles a few incoherent words, looking sincerely flustered.

Densho waves.

Megaladon waves to Furrowfoot.

Furrowfoot nods to Talisker.

Thakirin says, "I hope so, guess we will have to wait and see"

Frugus waves to Furrowfoot.

Furrowfoot grows indistinct. Slowly it dawns on you that he isn't there anymore.

Thakirin nods to Talisker.

Talisker says, "Okay, before I go on to the others ..."

Talisker says, "Three of you haven't asked any questions, yet."

Talisker asks, "Do you three have any questions you'd like to get in?"

Frugus says, "im more happy to listen than ask"

Talisker grins.

Talisker nods to Frugus.

Talisker asks, "Densho?"

Megaladon raises his hand.

Talisker asks, "Lucksdragon?"

Lucksdragon says, "im ok, just listenin"

Densho says, "I'm soaking in right now"

Talisker grins.

Talisker nods.

Densho smiles.

Frugus says, "besides, all my questions covered above"

Talisker says, "In that case, Jacinto, you're up next."

Jacinto asks, "Are ranged/thrown things potentially going to be in this mix?"

Stealth nods.

Stealth says, "yes to both"

Jacinto asks, "Should these skills be warriorly? Or just what we think is cool?"

Morgiest says, "Ah got a maneuver fer yer arrow...."

Stealth says, "overdraw....increasing damage from a bow while sacrificing accuracy"

Jacinto grins at Morgiest.

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "double shot"

Stealth says, "ranged disarm"

Stealth says, "couple others"

Stealth says, "those would almost all go into combined skills"

Jacinto asks, "Is it possible to get a skill for jumping style combat....ala Crouching Tiger/Hidden Dragon?"

Stealth says, "probably not in the maneuver list"

Jacinto asks, "Or picking people up and carrying them for nodrag places?"

Stealth says, "I doubt that would be a maneuver"

Stealth says, "but I am looking at the idea"

Jacinto says, "I like the notion of some of these being utility things to help one's friends."

Jacinto says, "For now."

Jacinto nods to Talisker.

Talisker grins.

Stealth says, "one I really like is one I call"

Jacinto grins.

Stealth says, "Back to back"

Talisker grins at Stealth.

Stealth says, "it would require one or more partners with the skill"

Jacinto nods.

Stealth says, "and would give group bonuses to fighting together"

Morgiest says, "heh. A ring of ten legendary fiters....."

Stealth nods to Talisker.

Lohlem says, "The ChanRock."

Lohlem stares off into space.

Talisker says, "You're up, Morgiest"

Jacinto says, "Don't tell Jinsem about that one"

Talisker begins chuckling at Jacinto.

standYou stand back up.

Morgiest says, "A little more clarification on the skill checks please."

Morgiest says, "I will use shield bash... because every else is."

Morgiest asks, "Will the check check a monsters "shield" skill? Do they even have a "shield" skill to check?"

Morgiest shrugs.

Stealth says, "I doubt shield use skill would factor in directly the defense equation"

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Morgiest says, "And."

Stealth says, "in the offesive equation yes"

Jacinto exclaims, "Because every critter doubles in everything!"

(Jacinto covers his mouth)

Talisker begins chuckling at Jacinto.

Morgiest asks, "What exactly would you like us to help you with on the boards? Obviously some things are set in stone already. What isnt? How can we help you, without wasting our time and yours with a ton of useless stuff that you dont want?"

Lohlem asks, "Limit Pudgee's posts?"

Talisker chuckles.

Stealth says, "heh"

Jacinto says, "Stick Pudgee and Lohlem inna corner."

Stealth says, "Well I will be honest I don't have time to read every single suggestion...I try to answer questions"

Stealth says, "so debate them on the boards"

Morgiest says, "I will apologise to everyone for mine now. i know I tend to ramble when i get on a topic."

Morgiest ducks his head.

Stealth says, "then get them to him"

Stealth points at Talisker.

Talisker grins.

Stealth says, "he condenses them and posts them on our staff site so I can read them later"

Morgiest asks, "Hokay. So nothin in specific you would like us to try and work out?"

Stealth says, "or mails them to me"

Stealth says, "not yet"

Stealth says, "right now I am trying to hammer out the overall ideas with Warden and Taelrand"

Morgiest asks, "Or nothin else you would like to tell us dont bother with besides the over-all implemntation you have already mentioned?"

Stealth says, "keep suggesting ideas"

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Morgiest nods to Talisker.

Stealth says, "I just don't have specific ones I need right now"

Morgiest says, "Thanke again fer the answers"

Talisker says, "Lohlem, you're next."

Lohlem snaps his fingers.

Lohlem asks, "We know there's three lists - how about the level you expect warriors to see these MA's?"

Lohlem says, "Right out of the CM? 20th?....."

Megaladon says, "150"

Megaladon nods to Lohlem.

Megaladon grins.

Talisker begins chuckling at Megaladon.

Megaladon whistles tunelessly to himself.

Stealth says, "I would say at least one by 20th"

Jacinto says, "Only when they practice every guild skill twice"

Jacinto nods to Lohlem.

Lohlem pokes Jacinto in the ribs.

Stealth says, "and more at a later date"

Jacinto grins.

Jacinto nods.

Jacinto says, "It'd make 20th a milestone again."

Stealth says, "I do not want this to be something only for old warriors"

Stealth says, "this is something for warriors in general"

Lohlem says, "Also, do you see using "nonsensical" skills? One I threw out was 'dissipate' which was a modest TD boost - based on Mana share + other combination skill."

Lohlem asks, "Still okay to throw those out?"

Stealth says, "there will almost certainly be a TD boosting skill of some kind"

Stealth says, "since I already have the ok to do it"

Stealth chuckles.

Stealth says, "the details I don't have"

Stealth says, "it won't be huge"

Megaladon says, "but if we only have to chose two.."

Morgiest says, "Prolley gonna be too many fer this addle brained warrior to choose from."

Lohlem asks, "But...if we only have a couple skills in the list?"

Megaladon asks, "ya gunna take that over shield bash?"

Lohlem nods to Megaladon.

Stealth nods to Megaladon.

Megaladon says, "thats my main concern"

Jacinto grins.

Lohlem says, "Nothing wrong with hard choices. If you have 20 total maneuvers, I do hope we get to use more than 2."

Megaladon nods to Lohlem.

Talisker says, "Megaladon, your turn."

Megaladon says, "well i just have the same question Thak had"

Megaladon says, "sort of"

Megaladon says, "concerning balance"

Megaladon asks, "will these maneuvers address some of the balance concerns warriors face?"

Stealth asks, "such as?"

Megaladon says, "having something to offer other professions other than bashing"

Megaladon says, "direct damage attacks"

Megaladon says, "and the like"

Megaladon says, "profession defining skills.."

Megaladon says, "ect"

Stealth says, "I doubt they will offer a marketable skill like enchanting or picking no"

Stealth says, "that is not the purpose"

Megaladon nods to Stealth.

Megaladon asks, "will those issues be address also?"

Stealth says, "a direct damage ability is possible but not set in stone"

Jacinto says, "Coin we can get by shaking Lohlem."

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Megaladon says, "not in the ma list of course"

Talisker begins chuckling at Jacinto.

Stealth says, "I don't know...I have no ideas at this point to take care of it though."

Megaladon nods to Stealth.

Megaladon nods to Talisker.

Jacinto says, "I like the fact that yer interested in utility stuff to help folks."

Kalanor says, "Ok...I have about 3-4 questions...fairly simple"

Talisker leans on Jacinto.

Talisker chuckles.

Lohlem says, "Famous last words."

Kalanor asks, "Any polearm manuever ideads?"

Kalanor says, "easy one"

Jacinto nods to Kalanor.

Kalanor says, "two...What exactly is shield bash gonna do? still not clear"

Stealth says, "possibly but maybe not for a polearm only"

Kalanor says, "three...topic shift...on warcries...holler is useless...will you be changing this and possibly adding another warcry"

Stealth says, "shield bash is where you hit something with your shield"

Stealth says, "thats my intention"

Talisker grins at Stealth.

Kalanor asks, "and lastly...ya keep sayin CM isnt gonna be primary...but most warrior this is staple training...ya gotta 2x it pretty much, is it gonna be used at all?"

Stealth says, "but nothing is firmed up on warcries yet"

Stealth says, "it will be used but it won't be the end all be all of skills"

Jacinto says, "Is why it shouldn't be the main part of it"

Jacinto nods.

Kalanor says, "Yea why shouldnt it be"

Lohlem raises his hand.

Lohlem removes a wooden stick from in his blue pack.

Kalanor says, "I guess I know the answer but to clear it up"

Kalanor nods to Jacinto.

Kalanor says, "Im done fer now...I have more but Ill save em till my next turn"

Talisker begins chuckling at Kalanor.

Kalanor whistles tunelessly to himself.

Morgiest flashes a wide grin.

***Long pause***

Morgiest asks, "Did we all git time warped? or were there more questions?"

Kalanor asks, "Everythin ok?"

Talisker says, "Waiting to see if Stealth is still with us..."

Talisker grins.

Lohlem pokes Stealth in the ribs.

Densho grins.

Lohlem says, "Yep, he's there."

Kalanor says, "Im highly interested in crit messaging fer NCU"

Talisker says, "Jacinto, you're next"

Kalanor says, "as a side note"

Lohlem says, "You talk a lot for a half-elf."

Lohlem scowls at Jacinto.

Jacinto says, "My folks raised me different than lots of the ones down here."

Jacinto grins.

Jacinto asks, "Is it possible that some of these could be just blanket effects?"

Jacinto asks, "Like the ability to add dex and reflex speed bonus to mstrike?"

Frugus says, "stealth prolly taking a short nap.."

Stealth says, "no that won't be happening"

Frugus grins.

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Jacinto grins at Kalanor.

Stealth says, "mstrike would be horridly overpowered for faster races then"

Morgiest says, "Woke up quick fer that one. good call jacinto."

Jacinto chuckles.

Kalanor says, "I see no problem with that"

Jacinto exclaims, "But its horribly overpowered for the slow now!"

Jacinto grins at Stealth.

Jacinto says, "Big ugh the Giant can have the reflex and dex of a rock"

Jacinto says, "And still strike as fast as me"

Jacinto chuckles.

Stealth says, "yep"

Stealth says, "if you want to be faster don't use Mstrike"

Stealth grins.

Talisker chuckles.

Jacinto says, "I wish I woulda been born fatter"

Jacinto chuckles.

Morgiest says, "You have to reach further then big Ugh the giant."

Thakirin says, "But I can't dodge a boil to save your life"

Jacinto grins.

Jacinto asks, "Is there a possibility of a armor/encumberance based skill....like the effects a DR paladin has in training off hinderance?"

Jacinto asks, "So....at early stages....it reduced hinderance....later on...it aided carrying capacity?"

Stealth says, "maybe"

Stealth nods.

Jacinto says, "Yep"

Talisker asks, "Lohlem, you had another question?"

Lohlem says, "More a concern.."

Talisker grins.

Jacinto says, "I could go on talking a long time."

Talisker says, "Noooooo"

Talisker grins.

Stealth says, "no details on it yet"

Jacinto grins at Talisker.

Talisker winks at Jacinto.

Stealth says, "its just an idea right now"

Lohlem says, "First, I must admit that I'm all of a sudden concerned about the lack of skills we'll see."

Megaladon begins chuckling at Lohlem.

Lohlem asks, "Can you tell us how many total skills will be out there?"

Lohlem asks, "20 in each list? 5?"

Stealth says, "no"

Jacinto asks, "40?"

Stealth says, "I don't have a number yet"

Jacinto says, "I'd rather have a lack than useless skills"

Talisker nods to Jacinto.

Lohlem says, "There are certain aspects where all warriors will need help, ie: TD."

Jacinto says, "There is always QC neutering to consider"

Lohlem nods to Megaladon.

Stealth nods to Lohlem.

Lohlem says, "So, maybe you could 'group' the MA's by "minor" / "major". Maybe you get a 'few' minor skills, but only a couple majors."

Megaladon says, "thats another profession issue"

Megaladon nods to Lohlem.

Stealth says, "remember gp3 is addressing that as well"

Stealth says, "thats an idea too"

Stealth nods.

Megaladon says, "majors being mounted combat and the like"

Lohlem says, "While young, maybe you get Block (DS enhancer), and Aggressor (small AS enhancer) - then get the "major" skills, like shield bash, or whatever when older."

Kalanor asks, "gp3?"

Jacinto says, "Growing Pains three"

Stealth says, "be right back folks"

Stealth suddenly fades out of sight.

Thakirin asks, "Umm, for the unimformed, what is QC?"

Kalanor says, "Quality Control"

Jacinto says, "It eats things."

Jacinto grins.

Talisker says, "While he's gone, grab a paper and pencil or something ..."

Jacinto says, "Like katars and dhe'nar"

Lohlem says, "Sounds like I'm in charge now, and I say we get 20 skills each in both lists."

Lohlem nods.

Jacinto exclaims, "40!"

Morgiest says, "Or, destroyers of ideas if you want the real, undisguised name."

Lohlem says, "We need to be careful about the numbers of MA's we get."

Lohlem says, "I see this as a very serious sticking point."

Jacinto says, "But think we need relatively few we actually learn"

Stealth suddenly fades into sight beside you.

Stealth winks.

Stealth says, "ok back"

Talisker says, "Let's finish the questions."

Thakirin says, "Shushhh, he's back, everyone look busy"

Talisker chuckles.

Talisker asks, "Lohlem, were you still working on questions?"

Warem makes a gobbling sound.

Lohlem says, "No, we accepted that we all get 40 skills in each list. That works for me."

Lohlem nods.

Talisker nods.

Stealth snickers.

Talisker says, "Kalanor, you're next."

Talisker snickers.

Kalanor beams!

Talisker just nudged Lohlem.

Kalanor says, "Ok..."

Lohlem says, "I'm done."

Stealth says, "basket weaving..."

Stealth says, "knitting"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Talisker appears to be trying hard not to grin.

Kalanor says, "One idea I think is amazing...but I highly doubt"

Stealth nods to Lohlem.

Densho grins.

Kalanor says, "Is warriors being able to add slight crit padding"

Megaladon says, "perhaps take into account number of guild skills mastered, and number of spells learned to limit the number of mas you can learn"

Kalanor says, "That would make us even more special than wizards"

Talisker says, "Heh"

Lohlem exclaims, "No!"

Kalanor glances at Lohlem.

Lohlem pokes Megaladon in the ribs.

Megaladon peers quizzically at Lohlem.

Jacinto nods to Megaladon.

Lohlem says, "I don't do guilds."

Jacinto says, "We know"

Megaladon says, "that means you get more MAs wizard"

Lohlem says, "These are warrior inherent skills - not guild."

Megaladon pokes Lohlem in the ribs.

Megaladon chuckles.

Megaladon says, "either go character manager"

Megaladon says, "get more mas"

Kalanor says, "Um..."

Lohlem says, "Don't make me join the guild. It about killed me the first time."

Jacinto says, "He wasn't."

Megaladon says, "or do guild and fewer mas"

Talisker nods to Kalanor.

Lohlem exclaims, "I like that!"

Lohlem nods to Megaladon.

Megaladon nods to Lohlem.

Lohlem says, "I'd get more."

Lohlem snaps his fingers.

Megaladon says, "mega smart"

Megaladon nods.

Talisker touches one finger to his lips.

Talisker winks.

Megaladon grins at Lohlem.

Morgiest asks, "Wanst Kalanor talkin?"

Kalanor blinks.

Talisker nods to you.

Talisker says, "Go ahead, Kalanor"

Lohlem nods to Kalanor.

Kalanor says, "Its ok...this is discussion and im not the best source"

Megaladon takes a drink from his dark stout.

Kalanor says, "ok..."

Kalanor says, "I think an amazing idea that I read..."

Kalanor says, "Is warriors being able to add SLIGHT...slight crit padding to armor...this would make us premier"

Thakirin says, "That was me"

Thakirin beams!

Kalanor says, "I mean i dont think its far fetched cause if wizards can add DS"

Kalanor says, "and sorcs are gonna add TD"

Stealth says, "hmm the chances of that are slim"

Stealth says, "and Slim just left town"

Talisker chuckles.

Densho grins.

Frugus grins.

Kalanor says, "I figured"

Jacinto says, "I think we ought to be able to knit woolen underthings"

Lohlem says, "Too bad he didn't take the half-elf with him."

Stealth says, "for what its worth"

Lohlem glances at Jacinto.

Jacinto says, "That might make our armor feel better"

Talisker glances at Jacinto.

Stealth says, "and this is strictly my opininion"

Jacinto winks at Lohlem.

Warem says, "the chances are slim and none, and slim is RSN from QC"

Warem grins like an idiot.

Stealth says, "opinion too"

Talisker begins a careful examination of Jacinto -- he takes his pulse, checks his temperature, and checks for broken bones or any other ailments.

Kalanor nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "I am totally against players modifying items in anyway"

Jacinto says, "Seriously....we don't need anything to make money."

Stealth says, "enchant ensorcel pad weight strengthen etc"

Lohlem says, "Odd, I'm totally against merchants doing the same."

Jacinto says, "Just effort."

Lohlem chuckles.

Talisker begins chuckling at Lohlem.

Stealth says, "I think it should all be NPC based"

Kalanor says, "Okie...sorry bout that"

Lohlem gibbers incoherently.

Kalanor ducks his head.

Megaladon nods to Stealth.

Stealth grins.

Megaladon says, "Reife was the same way"

Lohlem says, "Fist a cuffs after the meeting."

Stealth says, "but its not my decision"

Kalanor says, "Oh one more thing"

Kalanor asks, "What will we get to see by the end of HSN?"

Kalanor says, "cause thats results"

Kalanor says, "these are all ideas"

Lohlem exclaims, "Good question. Time table!"

Talisker asks, "Anyone have any other questions for Stealth?"

Warem nods to Talisker.

Kalanor asks, "Is my last question invalid?"

Morgiest says, "Warrirs will be made into the supreme rulers of Elanthia, able to kill anything with the flick of a wrist... Comin thru HSN to a warrior near you by the end of summer."

Megaladon grins at Morgiest.

Lohlem says, "I'll take him out back later and beat em' about the head and shoulders over the NPC comments."

Talisker says, "Ah, I'm sorry ... didn't realize that one was still out there."

Lohlem smiles knowingly.

Talisker starts chuckling at Morgiest!

Talisker asks, "What was that question again, Kalanor?"

Stealth says, "I can't release any info about HSN"

Kalanor says, "What will we get to see by the end of HSN? I ask because that will be results, not ideas"

Jacinto asks, "Any potential for warcry like things that effec a room?"

Talisker nods.

Kalanor says, "Oh ok"

Jacinto says, "Effect, that is."

Kalanor says, "any "hints""

Kalanor snickers.

Kalanor says, "i wont tell"

Talisker begins chuckling at Kalanor.

Talisker says, "Go ahead, Warem."

Stealth says, "sorry folks other items are calling my attention somewhat"

Stealth grins.

Stealth says, "might be a bit slow to answer"

Lohlem exclaims, "We're back to 40 skills per list!"

Lohlem snaps his fingers.

Megaladon begins chuckling at Lohlem.

Warem says, "two things I want to beg you for, and a question. please let me berserk from stunned or binded and such, do not forget physical training in the skill checks. and the question, will we be seeing any skills that do damage on the creature, like boars charge and veaba knocks..."

Talisker nods to Kalanor.

Stealth says, "I will try...and maybe"

Stealth grins.

Megaladon says, "direct damage"

Kalanor put some frothy dark stout in his climbing pack.

Megaladon nods to Warem.

Jacinto says, "You suggested a two weapon one that seemed to imply that"

Megaladon nods to Lohlem.

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Talisker nods to Kalanor.

Megaladon says, "should get at least one good one"

Talisker asks, "Warem, did you get your question in?"

Megaladon says, "sword thrust"

Talisker nods to Kalanor.

Megaladon drools.

Lohlem says, "That Krynch roll thing is pretty nice."

Kalanor nods to Talisker.

Jacinto grins.

Lohlem says, "Consult Uska on ideas for direct damage."

Warem says, "I like knocking things down and such, but I want to know if we can do direct damage with any of these skills, like boars and krynches and such"

Morgiest says, "Shield bash will likely do damage of some type"

Morgiest shrugs.

Warem says, "and please, please, please... let me berserk from a stunn"

Warem nods to Stealth.

Lohlem says, "Those need a serious cost."

Kalanor nods to Talisker.

Lohlem says, "Nothing is free."

Talisker asks, "Morgiest, you had a question?"

Morgiest nods to Talisker.

Talisker nods to Lohlem.

Warem asks, "can I buy this cart off you?"

Talisker begins chuckling at Warem.

Warem peers quizzically at Talisker.

Warem says, "ill pay good silver for it"

Warem nods.

Talisker says, "Not a chance."

Morgiest says, "Will there be any skills that allow us to interpose ourselves between ourselves and say spellscasters and the critters, like guardin them."

Talisker winks.

Warem asks, "just the big keg of lager?"

Morgiest asks, "or baring that, that will allow us to "call" a critter to us so it attacks only us?"

Frugus takes a drink from his fine brandy.

Lohlem says, "Syzygy."

Lohlem smiles at Morgiest.

Talisker begins chuckling at Lohlem.

Jacinto asks, "Skills that don't have silly names?"

Lohlem says, "The ability to keep X critters from engaging you."

Lohlem says, "Syzygy is perfect, actually."

Lohlem smiles knowingly.

Megaladon says, "thats called mass carns cry"

Talisker says, "Looks like Stealth is distracted again."

Lohlem says, "It's aligning yourself in between you, the critter you're engaged with and the 3rd critter..."

Morgiest says, "No. I WANT them to engage me. Lets say I am in a group. I want to be able to put myself, in between a critter, or critters, so they cannot get to someone else, unless they go thru me."

Stealth says, "I am going to bow out since I am getting distracted by other stuff"

Lohlem says, "They wouldn't be able to engage, it would act like a sanctuary spell cast on that one (or more) critter."

Talisker nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "you guys feel free to please discuss some ideas though"

Talisker says, "Thanks for staying as long as you did, Stealth."

Morgiest says, "Thank you for your time tonight Stealth."

Stealth says, "I will pop back if I can"

Lohlem says, "Thanks Stealth."

Talisker nods.

Jacinto says, "Good help directin ideas"

Stealth suddenly fades out of sight.

Morgiest says, "Bah. Didnt get my last question in."

Lohlem says, "I'll repost the ideas this eve', that one included."

Talisker rubs you gently.

Warem put a miniature keg of amber lager in his fur travel pack.

Morgiest shrugs.

Jacinto says, "Darn good, cept the name."

Talisker says, "I've kept you folks a long time and I want to thank you all for your patience, as well as your willingness to participate."

Lohlem nods to Jacinto.

Kalanor nods to Megaladon.

Lohlem says, "Thanks Talisker."

Talisker asks, "Anyone have any final comments or questions?"

Densho says, "thank ya"

Stealth suddenly fades into sight beside you.

Thakirin says, "Thank you for letting us participate"

Talisker grins at Morgiest.

Talisker says, "Thank you."

Talisker chuckles.

Warem says, "It was fun"

Warem put a miniature keg of amber lager in his fur travel pack.

Kalanor bows to Talisker.

Talisker says, "Ah, Stealth is back."

Talisker says, "He has time to finish those questions for you."

Stealth mutters sneaky.

Talisker grins.

Talisker says, "Morgiest had a question pending..."

Lohlem says, "We need more than 2 skills Stealth."

Lohlem says, "Just not enough."

Lohlem asks, "TD and one more?"

Stealth says, "I can ask"

Stealth says, "no promises though"

Jacinto says, "If the TD issue is dealt with elsewhere"

Lohlem asks, "Try for the 'minor' / 'major' approach?"

Morgiest asks, "Can I re-ask that question for Stealth now?"

Kalanor says, "So the Warrior Manuevers will be like a spell list"

Talisker nods to you.

Stealth asks, "lets get back to raising hands?"

Talisker says, "Let's go back .."

Talisker grins at Stealth.

Morgiest says, "Basically, my question was this Stealth."

Stealth says, "too confusing to answer all these at once"

Morgiest asks, "Oop. Did i have the floor?"

Talisker nods to you.

Morgiest says, "Ok."

Talisker nods to Stealth.

Talisker says, "Thanks for coming, Denso"

Talisker says, "er..Densho"

Talisker says, "And Megaladon."

Jacinto waves to Megaladon.

Densho smiles.

Morgiest asks, "My question is will there be any skill that will allow me to somehow interpose myself between one or more creatures, and spellcasters and such in my group?"

Morgiest says, "or anyone else in my group for that matter"

Stealth says, "perhaps"

Stealth says, "I dunno if it will be a CM skill though"

Morgiest says, "Good eve to all who are leaving."

Morgiest says, "I was done talisker."

Talisker nods.

Talisker says, "Jacinto was next"

Jacinto says, "I think we need to definitely have utility skills as well as combat skills in here."

Jacinto says, "As much as everyone will leap towards combat skills.....theres more to being a warrior."

Jacinto says, "Not utility as in "I want cash!" "

Jacinto says, "But to help others."

Jacinto says, "I think we need enough skills so that we won't be "forced" to take certain skills so we'll be balanced....."

Jacinto says, "Like there's almost a perception of us being forced to go for Tackle first because of its usefulness"

Jacinto says, "But.....we don't need too many skills....because I see this whole thing getting eaten by QC if its in any way similar to a spell list"

Stealth says, "QC is not really what you think"

Stealth says, "not in this manner"

Jacinto says, "That's a valuable thing to know."

Jacinto nods.

Stealth says, "QC has almost nothing to say about the power or use of a skill"

Stealth says, "what QC would be doing in this case is"

Jacinto says, "I do think there has to be a strong consideration made of the power of these."

Stealth says, "checking to see if its buggy"

Jacinto says, "But I'm confident you'll do that."

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "making sure it does what I say it should do"

Stealth says, "Warden is my oversight"

Talisker says, "As far as power or use of a skill, that would be more up to Warden, Stealth and Taelrand, I believe."

Stealth says, "he approves what I propose"

Jacinto says, "Crazy as it sounds.....I'm almost going to ask here to not have a TD boosting skill"

Stealth says, "or I do what he proposes"

Talisker grins at Stealth.

Stealth says, "For example"

Stealth says, "one of his directives when I took the job"

Stealth says, "was"

Stealth says, "Fix berserk"

Morgiest says, "Were kickin you outta the fiter guild fer that."

Talisker grins.

Stealth says, "make it useful"

You poke Jacinto in the ribs.

Thakirin hauls off and slaps Jacinto up'side his head!

Jacinto says, "I think it'd force people to take it"

Jacinto says, "And I think what we need is more specialization....more paths to go down to make us interesting"

Jacinto says, "Rather than...."A TD booster""

Morgiest says, "And different..."

Jacinto says, "or "An AS booster""

Jacinto says, "or "A DS booster""

Kalanor says, "This in and of itself poses a problem...if these skills arent perfectly balanced...everyone will choose the same skills"

Jacinto says, "I'd rather see a chance to parry a single attack......special kinds of attack and so on"

Jacinto says, "As regards berserk...."

Talisker says, "Let's let Jacinto finish, please."

Thakirin says, "I think we need something to make us better warriors than warrior focused rogues and not just limited to those that join the guild"

Talisker grins.

Talisker chuckles.

Jacinto says, "If the whole thing is a lots of attack kind of thing"

Stealth says, "Straight AS DS and TD boosters are pretty much ok"

Stealth says, "I would assume we will see those"

Jacinto exclaims, "But boring!"

Jacinto sighs.

Jacinto chuckles.

Stealth says, "so don't take em"

Stealth says, "its up to you"

Jacinto nods.

Jacinto says, "I suppose"

Jacinto says, "As regards berserk"

Jacinto says, "If its going to be lots of attacks"

Jacinto says, "Which I'm not sure it should be"

Jacinto says, "It should at least be made as functional as mstrike"

Jacinto says, "If its not going to be focused on that"

Jacinto asks, "Maybe something more along the idea of standing up when others would have died of bloodloss?"

Jacinto says, "So you can go into a full out offensive slaughter at certain times"

Jacinto says, "Then just sort of keel over to die at the end? Like in Norse legend and such"

Jacinto says, "That way you could mstrike during a berserk"

Jacinto says, "Second was more on the guild skills area"

Stealth says, "you won't mstrike during berserk I doubt"

Stealth says, "but it will be usefull"

Stealth says, "ideas I have on it are"

Stealth says, "berserking while bound or stunned"

Stealth says, "webbed"

Talisker nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "with varying degrees of difficulty"

Jacinto says, "More like stun maneuvers then, which is very useful."

Stealth says, "berserking even when you die of bloodloss"

Talisker grins.

Jacinto says, "Healthy."

Jacinto grins.

Stealth says, "you would of course die after it wears off"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "even if you were healed"

Jacinto says, "Yah."

Jacinto says, "Heroic."

Jacinto says, "Bloody."

Jacinto says, "Dead."

Frugus says, "such an honor die"

Jacinto says, "Very us."

Jacinto grins.

Talisker grins at Jacinto.

Stealth says, "ummm implementing some maneuver type attacks into berserk"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "tackle for sure"

Stealth says, "it has alot of possibilities"

Stealth says, "if you have more ideas send em along to him"

Jacinto says, "Jump on someone frothing and ranting"

Stealth points at Talisker.

Jacinto grins.

Kalanor asks, "Will ya get boost to tackle MS similar to AS boost from berserkin?"

Talisker grins.

Stealth says, "thats not a bad idea"

Jacinto nods.

Stealth says, "send that along to him"

Jacinto says, "You really jump hard when yer loco"

Jacinto chuckles.

Kalanor exclaims, "Im smart!"

Talisker chuckles.

Jacinto nods to Kalanor.

Jacinto says, "That's all till I think of something more."

Jacinto grins.

Talisker grins.

Talisker says, "Kalanor, you're next"

Talisker says, "Now you can talk."

Kalanor blinks.

Talisker winks at Kalanor.

Kalanor says, "The irony is that I really dont have a question anymore..."

Talisker laughs!

Frugus snickers.

Kalanor says, "I spoke because it was being answered"

Talisker grins at Kalanor.

Kalanor's cheeks flush with a deep shade of red.

Talisker says, "Thakirin, you're next then"

Morgiest says, "Least we didnt need one a them podium things this time."

Talisker chuckles.

Talisker nods to you.

Kalanor leans on Jacinto.

Jacinto grins.

Thakirin says, "Ummm, I am not sure"

Thakirin says, "I think that a blademaster should be able to hit where they aim"

Jacinto says, "Frugus needs to talk."

Jacinto chuckles.

Talisker whispers, "Yep, you're next."

Frugus whistles tunelessly to himself.

Thakirin says, "and have nothing to do with ambush"

Stealth says, "I disagree"

Stealth says, "I really don't see aiming or ambush changing"

Stealth says, "from the open"

Jacinto says, "I think a blademaster might be able to follow through with an attack even if they've gotten struck by a blow."

Talisker grins at Kalanor.

Stealth asks, "riposte?"

Talisker nods to Warem.

Stealth peers quizzically at Jacinto.

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Stealth says, "or counterstrike"

Jacinto says, "In a sense"

Thakirin says, "I fence, and as a decent fencer, I can hit most any decent target on an opponent"

Stealth says, "I can see either one"

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Thakirin says, "and it has not one damn thing to do with ambushing"

Stealth says, "this is not RL though"

Stealth says, "so the comparison is moot"

Jacinto asks, "Do your opponents come in fifty foot worm size?"

Jacinto asks, "or cast spells?"

Stealth begins chuckling at Jacinto.

Jacinto asks, "Or come at you Arena fencing/SCA style?"

Jacinto grins at Thakirin.

Thakirin says, "no, but the larger would be far easier"

Frugus leans against a refreshment cart.

Thakirin says, "I do SCA fencing and strip"

Talisker waves to Warem.

Warem waves.

Warem bows to Talisker.

Warem grows indistinct. Slowly it dawns on you that he isn't there anymore.

Jacinto says, "SCA Fencing.....I find it harder to land a blow to a toe than I do in Olympic"

Jacinto says, "Where its one of my favorite shots"

Jacinto grins at Thakirin.

Thakirin says, "It is, but I can do ok"

Jacinto says, "That's more Elanthia"

Thakirin says, "I just don't see anything now days that makse warriors distinct, unless you join the guild and that is just sad"

Morgiest says, "but its your choice if you dont join the guild...."

Thakirin says, "if you train a rogue for combat skills, and hide your title, there is no diffrence"

Jacinto says, "Armor."

Jacinto shrugs.

Jacinto says, "Mstriking"

Jacinto says, "Polearms"

Jacinto says, "Two handers"

Thakirin says, "and a warrior that doesn't join should still be distinct"

Morgiest nods to Thakirin.

Jacinto says, "I think these'll make us more distinct"

Jacinto says, "Does seem to be Stealth'"

Jacinto says, "And Talisker's aim"

Stealth says, "well a spellcaster who doesn't train in spells..."

Morgiest says, "I still had a question for Stealth..."

Thakirin says, "I really hope so, I do, cause we are kinda plain"

Jacinto grins at Stealth.

Sallyforth says, "can't tell a bard from a ranger until they cast"

Thakirin says, "go ahead Morgiest"

Jacinto asks, "Do you like the idea of racial bonuses to some of these?"

Jacinto asks, "And negatives?"

Jacinto peers quizzically at Stealth.

Stealth nods to Jacinto.

Jacinto smiles.

Stealth says, "yep that will probably happen"

Jacinto says, "And nothing for the humans."

Jacinto whistles tunelessly to himself.

Stealth says, "probably not but no penalties either"

Jacinto says, "Actually."

Jacinto nods.

Jacinto says, "They oughta get a bonus to the TD booster"

Jacinto says, "Out of sheer normality"

Jacinto grins at Stealth.

Stealth chuckles.

Jacinto says, "First human bonus I could think of"

Jacinto grins.

Thakirin says, "for hardheadedness"

Talisker chuckles.

Talisker asks, "Was that all, Thakirin?"

Stealth asks, "any other questions?"

Morgiest nods to Stealth.

Jacinto asks, "Can weapon size play a roll in some of these.....and is their any further consideration of it going to be put into Disarm?"

Thakirin says, "Yeah, sorry, jump in"

Jacinto says, "Role, not roll"

Talisker says, "Morgiest was next"

Jacinto nods.

Thakirin hauls off and slaps Jacinto up'side his head!

Stealth says, "I don't think weapon size per se should figure in"

Jacinto begins to twitch.

Stealth says, "it would be much easier to disarm someone with a longsword than say a lance"

Morgiest says, "I know Lohlem and i do not agree often. heck, i dont think we have ever agreed, so this will be a first."

Talisker starts chuckling at Morgiest!

Talisker says, "We've made history at our first Focus Group Meeting."

Talisker winks at Morgiest.

Morgiest says, "But, He mentioned an idea i was goin to suggest."

Jacinto grins.

Morgiest says, "Which was the grouping of the skills, so you would be "forced" to take say non-direct combat oriented ones."

Morgiest says, "I guess that would be the difference in lohlems idea and mine."

Morgiest says, "He had the suggestion of puttin weak ones in one group, and more powerful in another."

Thakirin chuckles.

Morgiest says, "Where i would group them as direct combat skills, and then non-direct combat skills."

Jacinto nods.

Jacinto nods.

Morgiest says, "Ie, all As ds td direct damage in one group."

Morgiest says, "And eveything else in another. And you get so many of each."

Morgiest shrugs.

Morgiest says, "That was all. More of a comment then a question I guess."

Talisker asks, "Kalanor?"

Kalanor smiles.

Kalanor says, "Alright..."

Jacinto says, "Two and two....1 seperate potential for specialization......two drops to one if yer a switcher"

Kalanor says, "Ok few more things..."

Jacinto says, "Sorry....meant to be a whisper"

Kalanor says, "brawling...Is this going to be considered into the manuever lists"

Jacinto nods.

Kalanor asks, "Is Jacinto correct Stealth?"

Morgiest says, "I think we lost stealth again."

Talisker chuckles.

Jacinto says, "Busy fellow."

Kalanor says, "Ok also...are we going to see Pound, Stomp...things of this nature"

Stealth says, "brawling will be figured in"

Stealth says, "if the skill warrants it"

Jacinto says, "Wrestlin type stuff.....bear hugs....uppercuts...."

Stealth asks, "what was your question Jacinto?"

Stealth nods.

Jacinto says, "Mine..."

Thakirin says, "double back flying roundhouse Matrix pause in the air, head splitting critical strike"

Kalanor says, "And as a personal observation...it seems as though the MA is becomein like a Warrior Spell List...not sayin its gonna function but basically give us sumthin like av alid spell list"

Talisker begins chuckling at Thakirin.

Kalanor says, "Which isnt a bad thing"

Jacinto says, "Was just going to suggest maybe that a couple skills non combat....and a couple skills combat"

Jacinto says, "Decreasing if we switched"

Kalanor says, "It gives us combat, defense, utility...it sure sounds like a spell list"

Jacinto says, "And specialization of weapons maybe being a shared list thing"

Jacinto says, "Morgiest basically said it though"

Sallyforth grins at Kalanor.

Kalanor shrugs.

Sallyforth says, "Add that to redux and yer a god"

Jacinto says, "Oh"

Sallyforth winks at Kalanor.

Kalanor says, "And im dark elven...even better"

Talisker chuckles.

Kalanor says, "I am already flawless"

Kalanor snickers.

Morgiest smirks.

Jacinto says, "Nevermind."

Kalanor says, "But back on topic"

Jacinto says, "Had it answered for me by someone else."

Jacinto chuckles.

Morgiest says, "But yer so... well.. tiny..."

Sallyforth says, "tis the becoming modesty that ices the cake"

Sallyforth grins at Kalanor.

Jacinto says, "Done"

Talisker grins at Sallyforth.

Jacinto says, "Was a feint question."

Talisker asks, "Anyone else?"

Kalanor says, "Does anyone see what Im sayin how this will finally give us a viable means to specialize just like all the other classes"

Thakirin raises his hand.

Kalanor says, "sorry im finished"

"Morgiest says, "Not like the Not-so-Tiny Merryleon I ran across..."

Thakirin says, "I like it"

Talisker says, "Go ahead, Thakirin."

Thakirin asks, "Can we get a bar, or some kind of node in the guild so we have a place to hang out, not the exercise yard?"

Jacinto grins at Morgiest.

Talisker says, "You can put that on your wish-list."

Jacinto asks, "Did yah kick im?"

Jacinto exclaims, "Oh!"

Talisker chuckles.

Jacinto exclaims, "Last question!"

Morgiest says, "You kiddin? He really was a not so Tiny Merryleon too. Smacked round a Tiny Driz he did. Real bad."

Talisker asks, "Did you want to answer that one, Stealth?"

Talisker grins.

Jacinto says, "We have a bar."

Jacinto winks at Kalanor.

Morgiest says, "Ah carry my own bar."

Talisker nods.

Talisker says, "Put that on your wish list, Kalanor"

Kalanor asks, "Put what?"

Jacinto asks, "Can I ask mine?"

Thakirin says, "My request"

Talisker says, "oops."

Talisker says, "Sorry, Thakirin."

Talisker says, "Go ahead with your question, Jacinto."

Kalanor says, "He's incapacitated at the moment"

Talisker says, "Nah, just fortified."

Talisker grins.

Jacinto says, "The Warrior's Guild.....being civic minded....."

Jacinto says, "In the past....I'd suggested potentially opening our brawling ring to the whole town...."

Talisker says, "Would sure beat the boulder..."

Jacinto asks, "Could we open it.....and charge a fee for non warriors?"

Stealth says, "I doubt we would do that"

Jacinto asks, "Give the money to rebuilding the town?"

Jacinto grins.

Stealth says, "what I can check on is having another one opened"

Morgiest says, "Please do."

Jacinto exclaims, "That'd work!"

Talisker says, "It would make a fortune for the town."

Stealth says, "having non members in the guild would be problematical"

Talisker chuckles.

Jacinto nods to Stealth.

Talisker nods to Lucksdragon.

Jacinto says, "Removing money from the economy...."helping rebuild the town" and giving a place to let out certain sorts of aggressions"

Talisker nods.

Jacinto says, "Sorry to any folks I've annoyed....just excited."

Jacinto says, "Last question from me."

Jacinto smiles.

Jacinto says, "And done."

Talisker grins at Jacinto.

Talisker asks, "Any one else?"

(Jacinto looks sheepishly at Morgiest.)

Morgiest says, "Ahm surpised they didnt jes say the bank got looted, and take everyones coins who had silvers in there."

Sallyforth gives Morgiest a good pinch!

Talisker grins.

Talisker says, "I can't believe it. They're out of questions."

Talisker's jaw drops.

Kalanor bows to Talisker.

Talisker grins.

Kalanor bows to Stealth.

Morgiest says, "This comin from a warrior whos entire life savins right now is about 100k in silver."

Kalanor asks, "How long can we keep askin?"

Sallyforth says, "you have a great deal of stamina"

Jacinto says, "Morgiest has got one"

Jacinto grins.

Talisker says, "You're quite welcome. We look forward to doing more of these focus groups in the future."

Morgiest says, "Nah. Ahm done now."

Talisker says, "Hopefully, other groups will post on the boards, as well."

Talisker says, "If not, I can post a summary."

Talisker says, "Thank you all for coming."

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