Warrior Forum hosted by Lord Stealth And Lord Talisker
09-30-02 Recorded and edited by Morgiest Frostgiant



Stealth says, "ok lets get settled in and we can get started"
Stealth says, "ok lets get started"
Stealth calls the assembly to order. After a moment the crowd quiets down.
Stealth says, "Alrighty lets get started. First things first a few introductions for those who are new. I am GameMaster Stealth..your warrior guru, and this is GameMaster Talisker, the warrior liason."
Talisker waves.
Stealth says, "Basically, we both build stuff and work on stuff together, but I get a fancier chair."
Stealth snickers.
Talisker chuckles.
Talisker says, "I just wait till he leaves and sit in it."
Talisker whistles tunelessly to himself.
Stealth says, "What we are going to do tonight is go over some of the warrior combat maneuvers ideas I have, and you have."
Stealth says, "Any leftover time we have we will just take general questions about warriors and the lands in general."
Stealth says, "now, I am gonna try to get the box working"
Stealth grins.
Stealth says, "if any of you have been to forums before"
Stealth says, "you know the box ALWAYS breaks"
Talisker chuckles.
Stealth says, "First thing I am going to do is open the box to your questions, comments or suggestions and then let you have the floor to speak a little. Then we can go into some discussion."
Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.
Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.
Stealth says, "ok box is open so go ahead and ASK your question"
Stealth says, "ok lets get started"
Stealth says, "Jacinto says, 'Do you need more ideas? Or more systems for ideas?'"
Stealth says, "yep I can always use ideas"
Stealth says, "Basically to bring you all up to speed on what I have been doing"
Stealth says, "I worked most of the summer on the NCU project, and fixing alot of old bugs in warrior guild skills."
Stealth says, "Plus updating several of the skills"
Stealth says, "Now all of that is pretty much done, and my main project is the CM list"
Stealth says, "Where I stand on that is simply an organizational point."
Stealth says, "I know sort of how I want to do it, and what I want to accomplish"
Stealth says, "what I need now is the individual skills and how they interelate"
Stealth says, "so yes that means I do indeed need ideas...which I will go into more detail later on."
Stealth nods to Jacinto, who stands up to address the assembly.
Stealth asks, "You want to add anything or flesh out the question any?"
Stealth peers quizzically at Jacinto.
Jacinto says, "Hmm."
Jacinto says, "I just wanted to be able to apply my creative efforts to where it was most needed."
Jacinto asks, "Any thoughts on different sorts of maneuvers that you want?"
Jacinto asks, "Any areas where you have few ideas on that you want more in?"
Stealth says, "I do have some ideas, let me cover that a bit later though."
Jacinto asks, "And did yah get my second set I recently posted?"
Stealth nods.
Jacinto says, "Just stuff I've been curious about."
Stealth nods.
Jacinto says, "I'm really excited that yer focusing on the maneuvers now."
Stealth nods.
Having finished addressing the assembly Jacinto sits back down.
Stealth says, "Oengus says, 'can anything be done about pocket picking within the confines of the guild?'"
Stealth says, "Sure, close your containers and visit the bank."
Stealth grins.
Stealth says, "realistically no, not much I can do about it"
Stealth says, "eventually you the players will be able to have some control over the "troublemakers"..."
Stealth says, "A guild council, etc in the hierarchy."
Stealth says, "but that will be after the maneuvers are done"
Stealth nods to Oengus, who stands up to address the assembly.
Stealth asks, "have anything to add?"
Stealth peers quizzically at Oengus.
Oengus says, "naw, the idea of a council later to take care of troublemakers satisfies me"
Stealth says, "it will be a long way off"
Stealth says, "I would say well over a year"
Stealth says, "probably longer"
Oengus says, "still, better than nothing"
Having finished addressing the assembly Oengus sits back down.
Stealth says, "Haashek says, 'Why does it take virtually every spell for warriors to get so we can hunt at our own train'"
Stealth peers quizzically at Talisker.
Stealth says, "it doesn't"
Stealth asks, "does it?"
Talisker says, "Nope"
Talisker chuckles.
Stealth peers quizzically at Talisker.
Talisker says, "Not with any of my warriors."
Stealth says, "I think a typical trap that alot of warriors fall into is relying on spells"
Stealth says, "it makes them not hunt "tactically".."
Talisker says, "Not every critter is ideal prey for warriors."
Stealth says, "for example, when I was in my 50s and 60s as a warrior"
Stealth says, "I would hunt pyrothags on teras with virtually no spells...whatever massies I might get"
Stealth says, "sure you get hit"
Stealth says, "you drink blood ale and eat acantha"
Talisker grins.
Stealth says, "but...I hunted one on one"
Stealth says, "if I got swarmed I moved"
Stealth nods to Haashek, who stands up to address the assembly.
Haashek says, "Folks I hunt undead & yes you DO need spells"
Stealth says, "ok lemme ask you a question"
Haashek says, "I hunt Banshees they not bad.. but try sents.. forget it"
Stealth asks, "yer how many trains?"
Haashek says, "53"
Stealth asks, "why are you wearing brig?"
Haashek says, "I can't afford anything else your treasure is so pitiful"
Stealth says, "1 enchant hauberk would do you better than that brig"
Haashek says, "Im trying to save for forest brig"
Haashek says, "and get boiled by sents"
Haashek says, "no thank you"
Stealth says, "so run from sents"
Haashek says, "you have them stacked in every other room.. that is not easy"
Stealth says, "my point is, you have to hunt tactically"
Stealth says, "pick your fights"
Stealth says, "I think if you get some of these experienced warriors many of them can not only help you"
Haashek says, "I do..but since I can't make money anything what is the point. unless yer a merchant forget it"
Stealth says, "they live to help people."
Talisker nods to Stealth.
Stealth points at Valicar.
Stealth points at Cryheart.
Stealth says, "Find some of these folks who know the ropes"
Haashek says, "and on nations I have a bitter complaint"
Stealth says, "let them teach you"
Haashek says, "I can't download those scripts as AOL corrupts em so Im stuck here"
Stealth says, "well"
Haashek says, "I don't know what to do. Otherwise I wouldn't be here "
Stealth says, "you could get a map and go by hand.."
Haashek says, "I tried that.. oh gees I get lost :grin:"
Talisker chuckles.
Stealth says, "oh...part ranger"
Stealth grins.
Haashek says, "my wife is da ranger"
Stealth grins.
Haashek says, "folks please don't be critical of me.. I try...and have tried.. "
Stealth asks, "Seriously, could I get some of you old folks who have the time and ability to mentor Haashek later?"
Stealth says, "not necessarily old in trains, but experienced."
Haashek says, "hey I resent that.. Im old too "
Stealth grins.
Haashek says, "Sorry.. I understand"
Stealth says, "well you have to learn from someone"
Talisker grins.
Stealth says, "ok lets move on"
Having finished addressing the assembly Haashek sits back down.
Stealth says, "Onwynd: "so how do you do...well my question is ...can a warrior have a chance to tackle someone even at a low age...if not why not?""
Stealth nods to Onwynd, who stands up to address the assembly.
Stealth asks, "mind explaining a bit on that?"
Onwynd deeply asks, "well...I know tackle is a guild skill right?"
Stealth nods.
Onwynd deeply asks, "my question is as a train 12 Warrior do I have a chance at succesfullt tackling someone?"
Stealth says, "nope"
Stealth says, "you have to be 15th training to get in the guild now"
Onwynd deeply says, "what can I do"
Stealth asks, "hmm..hunt fast to 15?"
Stealth grins.
Talisker chuckles.
Onwynd deeply says, "ok...I had another question that related...not as much a question as a suggestion"
Stealth nods to Onwynd.
Onwynd deeply says, "I am...right now I am hunting zombies"
Stealth asks, "at 12?"
Onwynd deeply says, "oh yeah..."
Stealth chuckles.
Onwynd deeply says, "I am very strong"
Talisker grins.
Stealth nods.
Onwynd deeply says, "and I use Volns favor to help me"
Stealth asks, "ok what is your suggestion?"
Stealth says, "we need to move quickly when your turn is up on the podium."
Stealth smiles.
Onwynd deeply asks, "might we get something that a young warroir could do...like rushing an opponent...since I am a giant and I am very large should I not be able to at least make an opponent back up and lose balance?"
Talisker grins.
Stealth says, "probably not going to be anything like that available to younger warriors"
Onwynd deeply says, "I tried folks"
Onwynd deeply says, "thank you for your time"
Stealth says, "with the maneuver list I think the earliest you could get a maneuver would be 5th or 10th training"
Onwynd deeply asks, "when this is over someone show me where rotting krolvin pirates are?"
Stealth says, "and then it would not be very effective yet"
Having finished addressing the assembly Onwynd sits back down.
Stealth says, "Erolus says, 'was wondering what the ideas for the manuveurs list is, very interested as its a very vague thing'"
Stealth says, "I will go over those in just a bit"
Stealth says, "Fezic says, 'Do you feel that warriors will need tweaking after the proposed self cast limitations and magic item use requriements are put in place?'"
Stealth says, "to be blunt...no"
Stealth says, "I think warriors with large amounts of spells and redux are overbalanced now."
Stealth nods to Fezic, who stands up to address the assembly.
Stealth asks, "have anything to say?"
Stealth peers quizzically at Fezic.
Fezic says, "do you take society affliations into account when making changes? These changes? I only ask because the amount of undead that are aviable to warriors is rather limiting"
Fezic says, "I mean in that those that you don't need spells to hunt"
Stealth says, "Societal balances really don't factor in...since societies are a choice."
Stealth says, "not a requirement"
Having finished addressing the assembly Fezic sits back down.
Stealth says, "Tygron says, 'And NCU means?'"
Stealth says, "non corporeal critter"
Stealth says, "something without a physical body"
Stealth says, "Geoff says, 'Warriors spelled to the gills already have a great advantage over some other classes, will the issues of self-cast be addressed along with the introduction of combat maneuvers?'"
Stealth says, "I would say that yes they will be addressed either before or no later than CM introduction."
Stealth nods to Geoff, who stands up to address the assembly.
Geoff says, "I hae been around the lands ae wee sma bit"
Stealth scoffs.
Stealth says, "naw not you"
Talisker chuckles.
Stealth ducks his head.
Geoff says, "I have pushed, prodded, urged, etc. the staff to improve the lot of warriors.. but not to make them the easiest class to play"
Stealth nods.
Stealth says, "I think we are well on the way to that"
Geoff says, "this class has had more improvements than any other class.. but the issue of spells, is the same as when I told Ophion that DF-redux was nice, but spells made it too much"
Stealth nods.
Geoff asks, "is managment in line with the issue that this game must have some measure of self-cast to start balancing it properly?"
Stealth says, "Gm Warden stated at Simucon and in Forums/BBS posts that yes that would happen."
Stealth says, "When is up to him."
Stealth says, "But I have never known him to lie about or fail to achieve something he set out to do."
Geoff says, "I would welcome new maneuvers.. but if something is not done in regards to the massive amount of spells available the other classes will work to have DF-redux and other aspects downtweaked"
Stealth nods.
Stealth says, "Agreed. I don't see this as a problem right now."
Geoff says, "as for Haashek.. see me after this meeting.. I'll give you some Vultite chain mail AsG 15"
Geoff stands up.
Stealth says, "Staff is in agreement with you in this, it is just a matter of getting it done in a timely manner."
Geoff says, "thank ye, frae the time"
Stealth nods to Geoff.
Having finished addressing the assembly Geoff sits back down.
Amberain stands up.
Stealth says, "Nicklae says, 'I was always curious as to why I see so many giants as warriors, and not many Dwarves period, any idea why, and do Dwarves have any advantage as warriors that another race might not have, and most of all, what effect does race have on the Warrior profession?'"
Stealth says, "Well I am doing a dwarven maneuver...the ankle bite."
Talisker begins chuckling at Stealth.
Stealth says, "and the shin-kick"
Stealth grins.
Talisker grins.
Stealth says, "I honestly think dwarves make wonderful warriors"
Talisker nods to Stealth.
Stealth says, "inherent spell bonuses"
Stealth says, "lots of blood"
Stealth says, "Morduskull says, 'what are these maneuvers intented to do really? I mean are we talking minotar gore type things or somthing less potent?'"
Stealth says, "gonna get to this later"
Stealth says, "Pumachow says, 'By tactically don't ya mean like a rogue?'"
Talisker coughs.
Talisker grins.
Stealth says, "no I mean...using your smarts instead of just running in swinging willy nilly til everything is dead"
Stealth says, "pick your targets"
Stealth says, "know when to withdraw"
Stealth says, "know when to attack"
Stealth says, "Valicar says, 'I am curious if you saw my post a few months back about group maneuvers and was wondering if you had any comments about them.'"
Stealth says, "yep and yep"
Stealth grins.
Talisker grins.
Stealth says, "I will cover some of the that in a minute"
Stealth says, "Ercerin says, 'question What is the real place of the warrior in society? Clerics raise, Sorcerer's kill, Wizard's enchant, Rogues pick, Empaths heal, Bards sing, Rangers hunt/skin, but what do warriors do? Drag bodies?'"
Talisker works his fingers under his heather tartan tam and scratches his head.
Stealth says, "Well this one is kind of tough, but I still see warriors as the toughest ones in the bunch."
Talisker says, "Sorcs don't kill, they blast. Warriors go toe to toe."
Talisker grins.
Stealth says, "yep we are still the best class for going toe to toe with stuff"
Stealth says, "Erolus says, 'was wondering if there is any way warriors could have training in mana share a lil easier, since for some that skill point amount can be a big blow to training routine'"
Stealth says, "I don't forsee any changes to the character manager training points coming up."
Stealth says, "not really something we can do without massive changes to game balance"
Stealth says, "Genadar says, 'This is prolly a stupid question, and I have been around for a bit... but what exactly is DF redux?'"
Stealth says, "type HELP DFREDUX"
Stealth says, "redux basically reduces how much damage you take"
Stealth says, "Drykonin says, 'why does ambushing cost so much more for warriors than it does for rangers and rogues. it seems to me that a warrior is supposed to be well versed in all battle skills even more so than rogues.'"
Stealth says, "well, warriors are not meant to be the best at hiding and ambushing"
Stealth says, "they can do it"
Stealth says, "but that is something rogues are better at"
Stealth says, "Helkor says, 'what skills should warriors train in now to use these manuver lists '"
Stealth says, "hmm loaded question there"
Stealth grins.
Talisker chuckles.
Stealth says, "I can't really answer that for several reasons"
Stealth says, "number one it would be a game secret, number two I haven't decided yet"
Talisker grins.
Stealth says, "Helkor says, 'what skills should warriors train in now to use these manuver lists '"
Stealth says, "Cryheart says, 'someone posted a thought about protecting a body when he or she was bound or unconscious..will there be a protect skill in future'"
Stealth says, "I hope so, it is a skill I want to make possible"
Stealth says, "Talantris says, 'Are any changes in store for the Guild Skill - Berserk to make it useful?'"
Stealth says, "yep, lots of them"
Stealth says, "but those will be after the CM list"
Talisker snaps his fingers.
Talisker chuckles.
Stealth says, "Xanator says, 'When this maneuver list is introduced (and I'm assuming this is something I probably already know) is it going to be based on the number of ranks you've currently got, or do you have to advance in training to earn them as you go?'"
Stealth says, "it will probably be based on ranks of combat maneuvers"
Stealth says, "in large part"
Stealth says, "Helkor says, 'what about some type of ground smashing manuver like pyrothags '"
Stealth says, "if you mean a smash maneuver...maybe...but not one that sprays shards of glaes"
Stealth closes the question box.
Stealth says, "Drykonin says, 'that was not a good answer of course warriors arent supposed to hide but the ambushing is definently a part of the warrior regimen which is a battle skill and therefore supposed to be easy for warriors.'"
Stealth says, "I have to disagree with ya"
Talisker says, "It is easier for warriors than other classes, but not as easy as for rogues."
Stealth says, "warriors are better at some things"
Talisker nods to Stealth.
Stealth says, "rogues at others"
Stealth says, "ok now I am gonna open the silence for a few minutes so we can chat...then we can go over some ideas"
Stealth opens the floor back up for general discussion.
Stealth says, "please no fidgeting"
Stealth says, "grunting"
Stealth says, "mstriking"
Stealth says, "etc"
Jacinto asks, "Are you open to maneuvers for the more unusual skills if they're of a warrior nature?"
Jacinto peers quizzically at Stealth.
Stealth nods to Jacinto.
Talisker says, "And we strangle lizards who get out of line."
Rorac quietly says, "After hearing some of these questions, I believe I should start an Assembly, once a month or every other week"
Tygron asks, "So are some of the manuevers actually going to be race specific?"
Jacinto says, "I came up with some crazy climbing and trading ideas is why"
Rorac quietly says, "Some of what is said/asked scares me"
Rorac frowns.
Silchar tersely says, "Agreed."
Stealth nods.
Azaton nods to Rorac.
Silchar tersely says, "I have an mstrike question."
Stealth says, "I doubt they will be race specific"
Drykonin says, "We do revolve around the weapons that we ambush with"
Chayy deeply asks, "is the CM list going to be a warrior thing only?"
Stealth says, "but they will be racially modified"
Qeos asks, "are we likely to see increasing usuge of swimming and climbing the the advent of the list?"
Jacinto says, "Rogues will have thier own"
Jacinto nods to Chayy.
Ercerin slowly says, "We're asking too many questions to be productive. Wait for Stealth to lead to a subject."
Evyrin quietly asks, "I wanted to ask your opionion on hybrid swordsman/archer warriors. Anything wrong with a warrior flinging arrows ?"
Stealth says, "the list will be Warrior, combined and Rogue"
Skern asks, "What about the rumor that dispell will be put on the Guild entry?"
Rorac quietly asks, "Stealth, would I be able to talk to you privately after all this for a minute?"
Stealth says, "hmm"
Stealth says, "hangon a moment folks"
Stealth calls the assembly to order. After a moment the crowd quiets down.
Stealth says, "SOmeone brought up a good point"
Stealth says, "I was disgusted to see to wizards parked outside the portcullis today hasting the warriors inside"
Stealth says, "two wizards"
Talisker blinks.
Stealth says, "if I see this continueing I will lobby and probably get a dispelling doorway put on the guilds...then you lose all your spells when you go in"
Stealth says, "so, speak to your compatriots who do this"
Stealth says, "tell em its in bad form"
Stealth opens the floor back up for general discussion.
Drykonin says, "what stops us from hasting outside"
Skern says, "Well I just didn't think it was fair to do this to us who don't use haste to do our reps"
Aysia says, "Brow beating doesn't seem to work. I just lead by example...and if that doesn't work.."
Erolus asks, "stealth why punish warriors for that?"
Cristas says, "at what trainin can one Mstrike one critter "
Drykonin says, "and would that be right to take all of people spells"
Erolus asks, "why not make the area null to spells?"
Aeatherion asks, "How many maneuvers do you foresee there being, and how many will we be allowed to have at any one time? Will we pick a skill and automatically have it, or will some type of training be necessary?"
Drykonin says, "20 cristas"
Geoff says, "put in the dispelling portals.. and be done with it"
Katryn says, "I want a voluntary one"
Jacinto says, "Twice...if you focus hard, at 19th"
Erolus says, "since most warriors don't cast why not make the area void to casting, any part of the guild"
Haashek says, "if they do that.. a penalty ought to be put in force Stealth like a fine or banishment of der waggles for a few hours when dey in da lands"
Axhinde says, "Will there be some sort of dodge manuever? Where you prepare for a strike and dodge automatically... incurring a round time based upon a hidden (or showing) roll... so if you dodge bad, you dodge straight into the strike, but if you dodge good, you dodge out of the way quickly and then you can strike back quickly while the attacker is off balance"
Stealth calls the assembly to order. After a moment the crowd quiets down.
Stealth says, "ok here is the point"
Stealth says, "if I as the guild guru wanted you to do 15 reps of disarm in 2 minutes"
Stealth says, "I would not make the roundtime 5 seconds"
Stealth says, "I would make it 1 second"
Stealth says, "it is supposed to take time"
Talisker says, "Patience, grasshoppers."
Stealth says, "I can also go a step farther if need be"
Stealth says, "I can add a check in the training scripts"
Stealth says, "if you have haste on...you get no reps"
Stealth opens the floor back up for general discussion.
Drykonin says, "that is a much better idea than the dispelling"
Aysia turns to Stealth and cheers!
Ercerin slowly says, "Ambush is not just a stealth manuver, it's a precision thing. Warriors should be able to strike precisely."
Chaerion softly says, "Do most of the questions, answers, and suggestions apply to those warriors of 15 trains and above? Just curious as to whether or not we younger warriors will be affected by these changes..being 11 trains myself."
Rorac quietly asks, "Stealth, would I be able to talk to you privately after all this for a minute?"
Stealth says, "they can"
Axhinde says, "They can strike preceisely.. from the open"
Stealth nods to Ercerin.
Aeatherion asks, "How many maneuvers do you foresee there being, and how many will we be allowed to have at any one time? Will we pick a skill and automatically have it, or will some type of training be necessary?"
Chayy deeply says, "i am personal very happy to hear about the CM list, i like the idea of warrior having something equiv to spell casters spell lists"
Aysia asks, "Guild reps are supposed to be hard work. What good do they do with haste up?"
Stealth says, "A warrior can ambush as well as any rogue"
Aysia asks, "Or when your target is webbed?"
Drykonin says, "but on the same note why limit our world and our relationship with our spell casting friends"
Drykonin says, "if haste can reduce hunt time it should reduce train time"
Haashek says, "Stealth the issue is the casters need a penalty for doin it.. again a huge fine or banishment of der waggles say for an hur while they in da lands"
Erolus asks, "i have heard rumors of being able to do so many guild ranks per training? is this a truth or falsity?"
Stealth says, "nope"
Stealth says, "the penalty is on the warrior"
Aysia says, "If warriors were meant to have haste we'd be wizards."
Aysia grins at Drykonin.
Haashek says, "then do both"
Talisker grins at Aysia.
Stealth says, "nope"
Katryn says, "Yes, there is a wall Erolus"
Aysia says, "Or any spell for that matter. But that's just my opinion."
Aysia examines her fingernails.
Chayy deeply says, "i feel i would add to Role play greatly to have skill that only a warrior can possess much as a wizard has a wizards spell list"
Erolus says, "i think the warriors abusing as well as the wizzies should be punished"
Aeatherion asks, "Stealth, how many maneuvers do you foresee there being, and how many will we be allowed to have at any one time? Will we pick a skill and automatically have it, or will some type of training be necessary?"
Silchar tersely says, "What about being able to focus the number of opponents you can strike in an unfocused mstrike attack rather than attacking as many as possible? Incurring an hour of RT if you have a lot of ranks."
Jacinto says, "Ophion pointblank said it wouldn't happen"
Jacinto nods to Silchar.
Stealth says, "mstrike is not really something I can control"
Tygron says, "Yeah I just got 4 strikes and I see where he is going with that."
Haashek says, "it takes 2 to do a crime.. that haste spell is nice in combat.. but in training that is flat out cheating"
Silchar tersely says, "I suppose that to be true."
Evyrin quietly asks, "ANY chance at all that a combat engagement system will be implemented EVER ?"
Geoff says, "aside from the point that Mstrike is very powerful once you understand the tactics needed to use it"
Stealth says, "nope"
Rorac quietly says, "This from a guy that won't hunt without spells"
As Stealth shakes his head, small flakes of ash fall slowly toward the ground.
Erolus asks, "is there anyway a warrior with a load of dead mana with bad send could convert that magick energy into kinetic energy in his swing? or possible energy to aid his defense?"
As Stealth shakes his head, small flakes of ash fall slowly toward the ground.
Rorac grins at Haashek.
Valicar says, "Group maneuvers would be as close as we could get I think"
Haashek says, "I rarely have haste 2 on"
Drykonin exclaims, "great idea Erolus!"
Drykonin exclaims, "use for mana!"
Drykonin throws his head back and howls!
Morduskull harshly says, "I've got a question..if ya don't won't warriors to feel the need to spell up why did someone go and make armor harder and harder to wear? I mean maybe I missing somthing but if you can wear heavy aromr it kind of removes the need to be glowing before you go hunting."
Aysia says, "Group maneuvers. Now there's a thought."
Jacinto says, "With the maneuver list coming"
Jacinto says, "I don't think basing something on mana is very warriorly"
Jacinto says, "As it is"
Jacinto says, "Old casters love us"
Cryheart says, "I like the idea of spellburst"
Axhinde asks, "WHas mana?"
Axhinde grins stupidly.
Jacinto says, "For sending them mana"
Cryheart leans on Valicar.
Aysia asks, "We can triple train! What more do you want?"
Stealth says, "ok lets go over some ideas I have for the maneuvers"
Geoff says, "you have a use for your mana.. send it to empaths and clerics.. more in line with the true intent of mana share"
Erolus says, "why not? we have mental skill points but i am not smart"
Valicar says, "Shield walls, overwhelms, loose formations, tight formations, shield circles, etc"
Haashek says, "Actually I just wish there was just certain armor & weapons made just for warriors & no other class"
Chayy deeply says, "i do belive Pinefar swarms a little too much though"
Stealth calls the assembly to order. After a moment the crowd quiets down.
Stealth says, "ok here are few of the maneuvers I have in mind"
Stealth says, "the ability to slash, pierce, or crush"
Stealth says, "at will"
Stealth says, "so you could do something like..."
Stealth says, "slash orc"
Stealth says, "if you weapon was a slashing capable blade it would slash"
Stealth says, "it would incur additional RT and possibly other penalties"
Stealth says, "a maneuver I call back to back"
Stealth says, "based on multi ops training"
Stealth says, "and requires 2 or more warriors with the back to back skill"
Stealth says, "essentially a shield circle"
Stealth nods to Valicar.
Talisker nods.
Talisker grins.
Stealth says, "2 people back to back...a group in a circle"
Stealth says, "shield bash, shield charge...attacks using your shield"
Stealth says, "subdueing blows with the flat of the blade/pommel/haft"
Stealth says, "weapon specialization"
Stealth says, "ie you would have several levels of "learning" your weapon"
Stealth says, "first is training in it in the mangler"
Stealth says, "second is specializing in a particular type of weapon"
Stealth says, "broadswords for example"
Stealth says, "finally the last would be "weapon bonding".."
Stealth says, "where you bond to a unique weapon"
Stealth says, "that would be "your" weapon"
Stealth says, "like Arthur's Excalibur"
Stealth says, "or Elric's Stormbringer"
Stealth says, "lets see"
Stealth says, "some skills which would allow you to resist stuns/fear"
Talisker says, "One of my personal favorites."
Talisker grins.
Stealth says, "skills to allow you to overtrain in armor"
Stealth says, "removing penalties"
Aekis stands up.
Carolie stands up.
Stealth says, "skills to allow you to stun creatures, to crowd spellcasters/missle weapon users and interfere with their attacks"
Stealth crowds into Talisker fouling his spell preparations!
Talisker chuckles.
Stealth says, "ok gonna open the question box back up...only questions about maneuvers this time."
Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.
Stealth opens the floor back up for general discussion.
Stealth asks, "is it letting you ask?"
Stealth says, "ok"
Jacinto says, "Got 12 of us at least"
Stealth calls the assembly to order. After a moment the crowd quiets down.
Stealth says, "hmm"
Stealth closes the question box.
Stealth says, "gonna have to get you to reask your questions"
Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.
Stealth snaps his fingers.
Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.
Stealth says, "damn box"
Stealth kicks the box
Talisker chuckles.
Stealth closes the question box.
Stealth takes the lid off the question box. Use ASK to submit a question.
Stealth says, "ok box is not working it seems"
Stealth says, "Silchar says, 'So this slash (pierce, crush, etc) skill would be a normal swing with AS and everything...except you're actually doing slashing damage? Or purely a manuever-based attack?'"
Stealth says, "it would be a normal AS attack"
Stealth says, "except you would always "slash" or whatnot"
Stealth says, "Ercerin says, 'Would crowd be an automatic thing, or would a warrior have to input a command to do it?'"
Stealth says, "you would have to do it"
Stealth says, "Cryheart says, 'Have you decided on the limit of manuever skills a warrior could learn?'"
Stealth says, "yes...but it is not really something I can discuss right now for a couple reasons"
Stealth says, "lets say more than a couple, less than 20"
Talisker chuckles.
Stealth says, "Thundrax says, 'Stealth if that is as a guild member, or as a warrior period? That is regarding the skills ye mentioned, like crowd, and such, and to avoid fear, etc.. and as well the weapon of choice thing'"
Stealth says, "these will be for warriors"
Stealth says, "not guild members"
Stealth says, "so you could do these with or without being in the guild"
Stealth says, "the guild would not matter one way or the other"
Stealth says, "Axhinde says, 'Will there be some sort of dodge manuever? Where you prepare for a strike and dodge automatically... incurring a round time based upon a hidden (or showing) roll...'"
Stealth says, "maybe"
Stealth says, "its a good idea, if I can make it work"
Stealth says, "Aeatherion says, ''Nice idea on the weapon bonding Stealth, but what happens when the weapon goes snicker-snap when breakage goes live? Do we then bond to another weapon?'"
Stealth says, "you fix the weapon or you rebond to something else...which won't be easy"
Stealth says, "Rorac says, 'will redux ever reduce the amount of damage taken from maneuver attacks, spells such as thorn or boil, ect. And why was the warcry downgraded?'"
Stealth says, "redux is not really a maneuver nor are warcries...we can talk about those later"
Stealth says, "Drykonin says, 'would the crowd option hurt the casters CS or the spells that has been prepped or mabye even make them prep the wrong spell?'"
Stealth says, "I would say it would hinder them prepping, and interfere with them casting"
Stealth says, "depending on various factors"
Stealth says, "Geoff says, 'overtraining in armour, as in that over training past the plate requirements will provide an additional benefit.. giving triple trainers a bonus?'"
Stealth says, "well...armor mastery would surely take armor skill into effect"
Stealth says, "so yes"
Stealth nods to Geoff.
Stealth says, "Onwynd says, 'ok..now how would the training in the weapon ..the personalizing of it persay...help the everyday Warrior? such as slash...would it be like an ambush maneuver or what? and would it be on the training menu or guild skill?'"
Stealth says, "I don't really have any direct amounts of how much something will add or do"
Stealth says, "all of this is planned now"
Stealth says, "Thundrax says, 'then what type of training would benefit these best?'"
Stealth says, "well you have to guess/deduce"
Stealth says, "shield skill would help shield bash"
Stealth says, "armor use for armor mastery"
Stealth says, "etc"
Stealth says, "I will release more data later on which skills will affect what"
Stealth says, "Nifelheim says, 'What about the ability to make your own weapons?'"
Stealth says, "you can already do that"
Stealth says, "Ercerin says, 'stealth "What kind of advantages will bonding to a weapon be? Will we regret bonding after a train when we can use a higher enchant weapon?'"
Stealth says, "I would advise you to bond to the weapon you want to keep for your whole life"
Stealth says, "since rebonding will be costly"
Stealth says, "Axhinde says, 'Maybe there could be some sort of a "wind up" maneuver.. where you take a few moments to bring your sword back.. being stuck in a forward stance and vulnerable, and then get some sort of AS boost. Like if you hold your sword in front of you and flick it forward, you do less damage than if you had held the sword way back and then swung it forward'"
Stealth nods.
Stealth says, "I can see something along those lines"
Stealth says, "Qeos says, 'wnew ill there be a manuever that will strengthen ones natuarl fortitude against CS type attacks or perhaps lessen our vulnerability to them'"
Stealth nods.
Stealth says, "yep, I already have permission to do that one"
Stealth grins.
Stealth says, "Qeos says, 'wnew ill there be a manuever that will strengthen ones natuarl fortitude against CS type attacks or perhaps lessen our vulnerability to them'"
Stealth says, "Tinoth says, 'will sheild bashing be done instead of using a weapon Eg RT or can you swing then bash without any RT between the two?'"
Stealth says, "there would be RT"
Stealth opens the floor back up for general discussion.
Haashek exclaims, "Wait a minute.. with me der is no slash, pierce, or crush.. it's just BOOM !"
Chaerion softly says, "thats seems like alot of rt"
Geoff raises his hand.
Stealth asks, "is that you going boom or the critter?"
Stealth peers quizzically at Haashek.
Silchar tersely says, "Hehe"
Haashek says, "I BOOM da critter"
Haashek grins.
Stealth nods to Geoff.
Evyrin quietly asks, "I use both bow and sword . . will there be any maneuvers for an arrow flinger ?"
Stealth asks, "Geoff?"
Chrisam asks, "So you don't have any problems hunting?"
Geoff asks, "overtraining in armour, as in that over training past the plate requirements will provide an additional benefit.. giving triple trainers a bonus?"
Clunk raises his hand.
Qeos asks, "what about the ablility to weight and flare weapons since we are masters of weapons...?"
Aysia says, "I hope so."
Aysia leans on Geoff.
Aysia grins.
Cryheart nods to Aysia.
Stealth says, "if you train in armor mastery, overtraining should help you yes"
Qeos says, "once breakage is re-introduced"
Qeos says, "perhaps pad armor"
Axhinde asks, "Weight i could see.. but flare?"
Stealth says, "probably not Qeos"
Cryheart asks, "an example of the benefit Stealth for armor mastery?"
Cryheart smiles.
Silchar tersely says, "Yeah"
Stealth shakes his head.
Aysia says, "You know he won't do that."
Stealth says, "lesser maneuver hinderance"
Aysia just nudged Cryheart.
Cryheart nods.
Aysia grins.
Cryheart whistles tunelessly to himself.
Cryheart nods to Stealth.
Cryheart smiles.
Jacinto says, "Stealth....with your weapon bonding and weapon specialization...."
Stealth says, "perhaps the ability as Berr once suggested"
Jacinto asks, "would that reduce swingtime?"
Cryheart nods to Stealth.
Stealth says, "to "adjust" someone elses armor"
Stealth says, "add a small benefit for a period of time"
Aysia unlocks her corselet, leaving it properly girded.
Stealth glances at Aysia.
Aysia locks down her corselet and readies for battle.
Stealth says, "no stripping"
Aysia stares at Stealth.
Stealth nods.
Nicklae says, "Stealth"
Stealth nods to Nicklae.
Nicklae says, "Yeh did'nae answer my whole question"
Stealth asks, "what part did I not answer?"
Nicklae asks, "I also asked, what effect does race have on the Warrior profession?"
Aysia says, "Everyone's a comedian."
Stealth asks, "how does that relate to the maneuver list?"
Stealth peers quizzically at Nicklae.
Nicklae says, "Just curious"
Rorac quietly says, "Stealth, can you please explain redux to me?
Jacinto says, "Seems to have every effect"
Stealth says, "better ask that one on the boards"
Jacinto says, "Race determines style."
Evyrin quietly says, "Pardon, Stealth. . I have a question."
Stealth nods to Clunk.
Stealth asks, "Clunk?"
Clunk deeply asks, "will weapon bondin and specializin help ya with the weapon forgin?"
Nicklae asks, "Are you planning to put in racial maneuvers?"
Stealth says, "probably not"
Silchar tersely says, "I think Rorac means the art of it, rather than the science."
Nicklae says, "Darn, headbutt would be a good Dwarven one"
Qeos asks, "are there any plans to have area effect manuevers planned?"
Stealth asks, "Jacinto?"
Jacinto says, "Ahhh"
Jacinto says, "You said you were interested in stun shaking and TD boosting...."
Jacinto says, "Could those be based on PT training....or something like...."
Stealth nods.
Jacinto says, "Warrior Code: The warrior swears not to do a certain set of actions. While the warrior follows the code, the warrior's honor and mental resilience is higher...protecting the warrior from Spiritual Magic attacks."
Tygron asks, "Stun shaking, you mean like berserk?"
Stealth says, "possibly"
Jacinto says, "Also"
Jacinto asks, "Would specialization/bonding mean you could swing more quickly?"
Nicklae says, "Ta'Vaalor is a good town, specially now that I live here"
Jacinto asks, "And could those attacks to stun a foe be based on brawling?"
Stealth says, "Maybe but I don't know yet...I can look into it"
Cristas says, "when will theses new maneuver take place to where we can use em "
Stealth says, "stun attack would be based on whatever weapon you were using"
Stealth asks, "Qeos?"
Stealth nods to Qeos.
Qeos asks, "aye?"
Stealth says, "ok folks lets hold it down"
Stealth asks, "Qeos you had a question?"
Qeos asks, "are there any plans to have area effect manuevers planned?"
Chayy deeply asks, "is there any plan to down tweek the amount of swarming there?"
Stealth says, "so don't hunt there"
Stealth nods to Chayy.
Jacinto says, "Then don't hunt there"
Jacinto grins at Chayy.
Ercerin slowly asks, "What about a manuver like flanking an enemy?"
Nicklae asks, "When you say tactical hunting, you mean stance dancing, and taking numbers of enemies and so forth into account right?"
Qeos asks, "or will most of them be single effect in their nature?"
Ercerin slowly says, "It would fit right in with your back to back fighting."
Stealth says, "none at this time Qeos"
Qeos nods to Stealth.
Clunk trudges up behind Ercerin.
Rorac quietly says, "It means doing whatever you can to stay alive."
Stealth says, "if you can come up with a legit logical one I might"
Stealth nods to Qeos.
Chayy deeply says, "i don't hunt there much anymore, i just felt it was too much for almost any profession sometimes"
Valicar asks, "I gotta leave, so please excuse my jumping in...Will we be able to specialize in more than one weapon type? Or bond to more than one? And will the back to back maneuver allow us to protect more than just the maneuverers who are in the group?"
Chayy deeply says, "with all the flying ice"
Jacinto says, "I know some Bards that like it a lot"
Jacinto nods to Chayy.
Jacinto says, "And Rangers"
Stealth says, "Probably not, probably not and maybe"
Stealth grins.
Talisker chuckles.
Stealth nods to Cristas.
Cristas says, "when will theses new maneuver take place to where we can use em "
Stealth says, "probably a year"
Katryn says, "By the way, as much as Id love a dispeller to walk through, I think its probly better to put the checks in the reps if you want to stop haste."
Valicar says, "thanks for meeting with us"
Cryheart nods.
Stealth says, "well let me explain a bit"
Chayy deeply says, "a year... i was hoping sooner, ya got me all excited now"
Chayy snorts.
Stealth says, "first I have to design the maneuvers, then get them approved"
Stealth says, "then actually code them"
Stealth says, "then test them"
Stealth says, "alot"
Stealth says, "then they go to QC"
Nicklae asks, "QC?"
Talisker says, "Quality control"
Jacinto says, "Quality Control."
Stealth says, "someone else tests and checks and tries to break them"
Stealth grins.
Stealth says, "then I fix whatever they find wrong"
Stealth says, "then finally I put them in"
Stealth says, "so yes it takes a while"
Cristas says, "drats,was wanting ta get bonded with my weapon "
Cryheart says, "you can still sleep with it"
Stealth nods to Ercerin.
Chayy deeply asks, "is there any plan to make AS warcrys ussable outta groups?"
Ercerin slowly asks, "What about a manuver like flanking an enemy?"
Geoff slyly says, "and then put up with the complaints from the sorcs and dark elf wizards.."
Ercerin slowly says, "It would fit right in with your back to back fighting."
Thundrax deeply asks, "approximately how long afore these things may come to pass, ball park ifn ye will, Stealth?"
Stealth says, "I can see that"
Stealth nods to Ercerin.
Jacinto says, "He just said a year"
Jacinto nods to Thundrax.
Stealth begins a careful examination of Thundrax -- he takes his pulse, checks his temperature, and checks for broken bones or any other ailments.
Stealth says, "think he got hit on the head too hard"
Stealth rubs Thundrax.
Thundrax deeply says, "sorry missed it, thanks Jacinto"
Chrisam asks, "Stealth, what sort of effects would this blade bonding have? Increased DUR/STR, AS, roundtime, a pseudo-enchant in your hands or nothing decided yet?"
Stealth grins.
Stealth says, "Jacinto"
Jacinto grins.
Jacinto asks, "Could a warrior archer potentially fire a bow into an adjacent room?"
Stealth says, "doubtful"
Stealth says, "Chrisam"
Chrisam asks, "Stealth, what sort of effects would this blade bonding have? Increased DUR/STR, AS, roundtime, a pseudo-enchant in your hands or nothing decided yet?"
Stealth says, "Folks wait til I call on ya to ask"
Stealth says, "I can see...increased AS...maybe increased dur str"
Stealth says, "maybe, just maybe some added DF"
Geoff says, "added DF would be interesting"
Stealth says, "maybe you get to pick one of them"
Talisker nods to Geoff.
Stealth says, "so you bond yours"
Stealth says, "and make it stronger"
Talisker says, "But don't hold your breath."
Talisker grins.
Stealth says, "etc"
Chrisam says, "Thank you Stealth."
Ercerin slowly asks, "Would our bond stack with what the weapon had?"
Talisker begins chuckling at Giantphang.
Stealth asks, "who was next?"
Stealth says, "lets hold it down folks"
Stealth says, "gettin noisy"
Stealth nods to Rilaen.
Geoff says, "match that with the ability to Pierce, Slash, or Crush on command.. make for interesting tactics until they make changes to the crit-tables"
Rilaen uneasily asks, "Was wonderin', would slash/puncture/crush attacks be aimable as well?"
Stealth says, "maybe"
Aysia says, "Along with what we already have. It sounds like a lot of fun."
Stealth says, "Chayy"
Stealth says, "after the CM list I plan to consolidate the morale cries"
Chayy deeply asks, "such as maybe an AS warcry we can use outta groups?"
Stealth says, "and input 2 new cries"
Cryheart says, "ooooo"
Rorac quietly says, "And a flaring longsword for faster attacks, when i'm encumbered or swarmed. Flares make up for the lighter hits."
Talisker grins.
Murgin beams!
Cryheart drools.
Stealth says, "I doubt you will see an AS cry without a group"
Chayy deeply says, "i did feel it was silly to have 3 warcrys that do that same thing to diffrent degrees"
Stealth says, "Jacinto"
Stealth nods to Jacinto.
Chayy deeply says, "once you master warcry it makes 2 of them kinda pointless"
Qeos asks, "any ideas on how to rework beserk to make it viable and useful?"
Rorac quietly says, "The difference between Holler and Shout is hardly noticable..."
Jacinto asks, "Could there we strength/charisma/trading based intimidation type things?"
Katryn says, "except holler rarely works"
Stealth says, "probably"
Stealth nods to Jacinto.
Jacinto asks, "Or crowd control?"
Jacinto asks, "Impose forum mechanics and broken boxes?"
Jacinto cackles!
Chayy deeply says, "raise your hand folks and wait to be called on"
Talisker begins chuckling at Jacinto.
Stealth asks, "anymore questions?"
Stealth nods to Qeos.
Stealth says, "Qeos"
Qeos asks, "any ideas on how to rework beserk to make it viable and useful?"
Qeos asks, "or is that on the back burner for now?"
Stealth says, "break stuns/webs binds....berserk after you die...utilize maneuver type attacks while berserking"
Qeos nods to Stealth.
Qeos says, "very nice, look forward to seeing it in action"
Geoff says, "need to be careful about making the guild skills much more useful.. already a point of discord with other classes"
Stealth snarls and goes berserk, ripping Talisker's head right off!
Jacinto raises his hand.
Jacinto grins.
Giantphang slowly says, "when ya conso...em, con...um, make all tha war-yells one yell, ya will make sure that holler actually werks yah?kill wasp"
Stealth says, "something like that"
Stealth grins.
Stealth nods to Evyrin.
Stealth says, "Evyrin"
Evyrin quietly asks, "What about a maneuver such as critical arrow. . for use archer ?"
Stealth says, "maybe...its an idea"
Stealth nods to Cryheart.
Cryheart asks, "I am still a bit hazy after the last griffin dropped me on my head, but...how will we learn these manuever skills?"
Stealth says, "the current plan is to base it on CM training"
Stealth nods to Talantris.
Stealth says, "Talantris"
Talantris asks, "A warrior, being a master of weapons, should be able to repair his own bonded weapon, you think?"
Stealth says, "no"
Aysia laughs!
Aysia says, "Nice answer."
Aysia grins at Stealth.
Talisker says, "Ophion in training."
Stealth says, "Arthur probably couldn't even light a fire"
Murgin asks, "Ophion?"
Clunk deeply says, "learn't from OPhion"
Stealth says, "much less a forge"
Stealth says, "I would say learn to forge if you wanna fix weapons"
Stealth says, "Qeos"
Qeos asks, "any plan to give exp for bashing?"
Stealth taps a "trained by Ophion" button.
Stealth nods to Qeos.
Stealth says, "I hope so"
Stealth says, "Ercerin"
Qeos asks, "do ye have a range in mind per box?"
Stealth says, "not offhand no"
Qeos says, "oops sorry"
Qeos nods to Stealth.
Ercerin slowly says, "What about somethign that helps warriors process experience faster? "
Jacinto says, "Just a general comment, Stealth."
Rorac quietly asks, "Will there be anything to see how many "hit points" a box has left, for bashing?"
Ercerin slowly says, "Not like Voln."
Stealth says, "nope"
Stealth says, "put your logic and intelligence higher"
Stealth says, "well everyone but Phang"
Giantphang gawks at Stealth.
Stealth says, "that is an oxymoron"
Jarok exclaims, "he called you a moron!"
Jarok nods to Giantphang.
Giantphang gawks at Jarok.
Geoff says, "oh aye.. dinna any o' ye be apickin' on me apprentice"
Geoff points at Giantphang.
Giantphang slowly exclaims, "me thinked him called That fella a moron!"
Giantphang points at Talisker.
Talisker begins chuckling at Giantphang.
Giantphang scratches his ear.
Stealth asks, "ok so who has played around with the new warcries?"
Giantphang leans on Geoff.
Rorac quietly says, "I did"
Cryheart turns to face Rorac.
Cryheart asks, "and?"
Rorac quietly says, "It's a downgrade, tactically."
Stealth asks, "how so?"
Rorac quietly says, "okay, anyway..."
Rorac quietly says, "It's a downgrade, tactically."
Stealth says, "hold it down folks"
Rorac quietly says, "I played with it, got a bunch of people..."
Stealth says, "Rorac has the floor"
Rorac quietly says, "I took four people with me on my experiment"
Stealth nods.
Rorac quietly says, "I tried the warcry with one person joined"
Rorac quietly says, "The duration lasted 2 minutes, 30 seconds"
Stealth nods.
Rorac quietly says, "It gaves the same AS bonuses"
Stealth nods.
Rorac quietly says, "And it hurt my throat."
Rorac quietly says, "I took the other three people in my group, for a total of 5 (including myself)"
Rorac quietly asks, "warcried... the duration?"
Stealth asks, "so it lasting 2.5 times longer is bad?"
Rorac quietly says, "2 minutes, 30 seconds"
Rorac quietly says, "It's not, bad. no"
Stealth asks, "why would more people affect how long it lasts?"
Jacinto says, "The throat sounds more the issue"
Rorac quietly says, "A bug in it was also fixed."
Rorac quietly says, "It was to my experience, that unless the crier was the leader of the group, it didn't help everyone."
Stealth says, "the length of the warcry is solely based on the crier"
Rorac quietly says, "I've seen it happen more than once."
Rorac quietly says, "After three warcries, I was practically croaking when I talk."
Stealth nods to Rorac.
Stealth says, "as you should be"
Rorac quietly says, "Which would be the same as if I had done it 6-7 times under the old rule."
Stealth says, "if you did three cries"
Stealth says, "you went for over 7 minutes"
Rorac quietly says, "Yes."
Stealth says, "which is the same as 7 old warcries"
Stealth says, "so yes it should toast your throat"
Talisker pulls Ichiko to her feet.
Chayy deeply says, "g'night folks, i must be off, thank you for all the Info Stealth"
Rorac quietly says, "But then we face, quality vs. quanity."
Stealth says, "I lowered the cost of the cries somewhat...probably 25%"
Stealth says, "and then increased the duration"
Rorac quietly says, "Whereas the quanity of the warcry is much better, I don't believe it works with quality."
Stealth says, "and kept the cost proportional"
Rorac quietly says, "I solo hunt. A lot, once in a while with one other person."
Stealth says, "I don't see your point"
Rorac quietly says, "In swarms, it's best to do bert's warcry on a couple of them, growl on one or two."
Stealth nods.
Rorac quietly says, "and then shout (if your in a group)"
Talisker says, "The way it is, now, you don't have to re-do the warcry as often or worry quite as much about it falling in the midst of a pitched battle. If you start it just before you swing, it should last till the critter is dead, instead of dropping mid-fight."
Rorac quietly says, "Now that shout takes your voice up more, scarng and raging the critter becomes less of an option"
Stealth nods.
Giantphang slowly says, "an tha trade off is ya can't use tha other cries as much, thats why him are sayin it ain't as tactically sound."
Stealth says, "its a trade off"
Rorac quietly says, "You'll have the AS bonus for a longer period of time, but you won't be able to hurt the critters as much."
Jacinto says, "Tactically....yah can't toss the AS when yah want it"
Jacinto says, "And bellow when yah want it"
Jacinto says, "I believe he's saying"
Jacinto nods.
Giantphang nods to Jacinto.
Stealth says, "I found I was able to"
Rorac shrugs.
Giantphang raises his hand.
Rorac quietly says, "Was just my own experience with it..."
Geoff says, "guild skills were never meant to be the 'be all, end all' skills for warriors"
Jacinto says, "Though its bloody needed."
Stealth says, "Part of it is you are somewhat lacking in the stats which help your cries."
Jacinto chuckles.
Stealth nods to Rorac.
Aysia says, "It would be nice if there was a maximum of say half your "voice", so you can't blow it in a single cry."
Stealth says, "Charisma is a major factor in warcries on several levels."
Rorac quietly says, "I don't try to be."
Rorac quietly says, "If I wanted to be smooth I woulda been a rogue"
Rorac grins at Silchar.
Silchar cowers away from Rorac!
Jacinto nods to Stealth.
Jacinto says, "I'm glad."
Stealth says, "ok folks....I think I am gonna head out for a while"
Jacinto says, "Gives the young elves some hope"
Jacinto grins at Stealth.
Stealth says, "have some work to do for later"
Stealth says, "if you want to come back on Thursday"
Stealth says, "I will be here"
Stealth nods to Rorac.
Stealth says, "aye at 8"
Geoff says, "oh aye.. thanks frae yer time 'nd waurk"
Rorac quietly says, "I got some stuff to ask you, some of which i can't do infront of a group"
Rorac nods to Stealth.
Stealth asks, "lets do it another time then?"
Stealth peers quizzically at Rorac.
Rorac groans.
Talisker says, "Watch the boards for an announcement of another Focus Group meeting soon, folks."
Stealth asks, "how long will it take you think?"
Stealth peers quizzically at Rorac.
Rorac quietly asks, "About a minute?"
Rorac stands up.
Stealth gestures and a shaft of scintillating light from somewhere above pierces the ceiling and engulfs him. When the light recedes Stealth is no longer there.